A messianic Jew is to a Jew as faux fur is to fur. There was no Jewish guy.
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But as of yet, not one has yet to shoot up a room full of non-Palestinians/Muslims* as an expression of those extremist views.
*plenty of Palestinians are Christians, some might even be aetheists.
I have to disagree. Weâre not talking about any more damage than whatâs already being done by the gleeful wack jobs crawling out of the woodwork on the Right.
We need to know, we need to understand all the pieces that motivate. This is helpful to read.
I am specifically reminded by San Bernardino of what happened on our European trip last summer, In Istanbul, a rug merchant maneuvered us into his shop, and was trying increasingly harder layers of âhard sellâ. I was deferring, but my wife was just as strident as the shopowner. Finally he said to me â âYou need a new wife. Come back and I will help you find one.â
Shocking as this sounds, itâs the attitude of Islamic mainstream men toward women, who must always be subservient. Itâs for this reason I think weâre going to find that although things are pointing to the wife as the corrupter of Farook, in truth she was obeying and following her husband, even to the point of sacrificing her life and their newborn child.
And what would compel Farook? Being alone in an ocean of humanity. Finding succor in a group that did not have his best interests at heart. Inevitably, I must point to the 1952 book The True Believer by Eric Hoffer to help understand the workings of this. Itâs far more nuanced, and actually less complicated, than the jingoistic race-baiting of the entire GOP field.
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if kitchen table conversations with your son involved the assumption that Israel should/will be wiped off the face of the Earth, you should not be surprised if said son eventually decides, âPops talks and talks but wonât do anything. Well if he wonât take action, I will!â Itâs quite literally one of the oldest stories in the book.
I fear the uncomfortable truth is that these same sorts of conversations occurred in many family homes of young men and women who turned to ISIS and similar ideologies. And the parents of those individuals, too, would likely say âI donât understand how they could do something like this.â Look folks - if your household politics involve the destruction of another country, you shouldnât be surprised when your kids end up with a less than healthy respect for human life.
To be clear, Iâm not an Israeli apologist, I think the settlements are the worst idea in the long, sad, history of bad ideas. But there has to be some daylight between âIsrael does terrible things to the Palestiniansâ and âIsrael has no right to exist.â
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One of the victims was identified by his wife as a messianic jew. Mainstream jewish denominations would not consider messianic jews to be jews. HE IS NOT A JEW unless he was born jewish to a jewish mother or formally converted to judaism. Messianic jews are either christians or jews that have become christians â people who believe Jesus was the messiah and they do practice some jewish customs but they are not jews. Jews for Jesus et al. And they ofter are quite conservative and fanatical. And FYI â most modern jews, including those in Israel and even Netanyahu are secular â they are not waiting for the messiah â even if they have strong familial affiliation and observe jewish customs. Only the extreme ultra-orthodox are waiting and donât even accept the existence of the state of Israel â but those that live there demand military deferment on religious grounds and are very happy accept state support because they are too holy to work.
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Muslim and Arab violence against jews is happening outside of Israel and the West Bank (see, e.g. the attack on the kosher supermarket in France, on the museum in Belgium). There are no comparable examples of jewish people targeting muslims or arabs.
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First, the victim wasnât a Jewish guy. Second, Farook didnât have âproblems with Israelâ; he called for its destruction. Third, while you say you arenât excusing murder - and, of course, I take you at your word - your commentary will sound like you are to a lot of folks; Fourth, a bad conversation as a spark for the arsenal that Farook and his wife collected? Wow.
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And the orphaned granddaughter is going to be raised by this family? In lieu of the this revealing statement, I wonder if CPS can step in.
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No one is well served by having an argument over the faith of an innocent victim of a political and religiously motivated terrorist attack. The Jewish and Israeli press have not made an issue of this, as well they should not. Why this is being brought up here is beyond me.
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Your reading comprehension and ability to follow thoughts leave much to be desired. You need to work on that. What I stated was that the conversation might have led to the massacre. Only a very clueless person would infer that the conversation would lead to them, in the past, buying guns. Or are you a proponent of time travel?
One important rule about life is that individuals are not responsible for the moronic, idiotic assumptions or conclusions that others draw. I certainly am not responsible for the fact that a whole bunch of people make stupid conclusions. Thatâs their problem, not mine. Huge numbers of people cannot think their way out of a box, and I am not responsible for those persons.
Here is a link to some other reporting on the matter at crooksandliars. Some of the Facebook posts by a self-proclaimed âgraduate of the Limbaugh Institute of Conservatismâ are included:
I disagree with you, but I wonât either impugn your motives or call you names. You said the victim was Jewish; as I and one of commenter have pointed out, you were wrong about that. Your comment downplayed the shooterâs hatred of Israel and determination to wipe it off the face of the map; downplaying that hatred makes accurate analysis of the shooter more difficult. And if the shooter was out to get the messianic Jew, he need âonlyâ have murdered one person, not fourteen. The shooter and his wife were obviously out to murder as many Americans as they could. I wouldnât disagree with the thought that they might have decided âto get the Jewâ as a particularly big trophy to assure them their rendezvous with paradise.
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Not to mention ISIS targeting other Muslims.
I saw the Sheriff and the Police Chief whose officers interviewed dozens of the people who were there on TV yesterday and they said THERE WAS NO ARGUMENT. Farook simply got up and walked out unnoticed at some point. He left his jacket on the chair, so people assumed he had gone to the bathroom.
Letâs discuss based on facts, OK, not something you readâŚ
Killings carried out in the name of their deity by FSM adherents:
0 humans
233,821,474 late-night bowls of ramen
That track record deserves more publicity.
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After reading this article, my first thought was: âThank God (and the NRA) this young man was able to stockpile weapons and ammo.â
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There have always been âMessianicâ Jews before, during, and after the life and times of a particular Jesus from Nazareth. The ultra-fundamentalist Jews who are working to rebuild a 3rd Jewish temple atop the site of Herodâs massively restored 2nd temple, and thus restore the Messianic âKing of Israelâ, do not expect Jesus of Nazareth to wear that crown!
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The extremely violent Stern Gang Zionists detonating a bomb in a Jerusalem hotel full of Europeans (1940s) contradicts you.
In fairness to Nick, earlyer reports said that the argument between Mr. Farook and his coworker occurred at work some weeks this massacre.
Indeed, there was an argument at some point. Let us remember as well, that for some, arguments fester and burn, and later a small remark might set off a conflagration. Both men are dead. Who knows if some remark considered entirely plain vanilla to everyone else might have just triggered a moment of rage. Maybe the messianic guy might have said âIsnât that right, Farook, you crazy muslimâ or something. We do not know the interior life of anyone, and if you are radicalized that interior life can have very powerful aspects that are entirely unknown to others.