Discussion: Senate Takes Major Step Toward Repealing Obamacare

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) voted against the measure

What is the logic here?

PeePee stated yesterday that ā€œdeductibles are too high!ā€ Okay, so let’s see how that plays out…

Let’s say a single person has a deductible of $6,000. PeePee wants that lowered or to go away entirely. Guess what? The monthly premium increases by $500 and the health insurer still gets that $6,000 anyway! But that’s not enough - without that deductible, people are more likely to actually seek care that they need but can’t afford so the health insurer, now realizing that utilization will increase, will also raise the ā€œout-of-pocketā€ maximum and increase the enrollee’s cost share. See, they need to make sure that their profit margin is maintained.

This is NOT an easy fix and having plans that can ā€œcross state linesā€ is dead before it starts. Each state has a Dept of Insurance (it may be called something different in each state but it’s there) to comply with. And health plans have ā€œturfā€ to protect to prevent interlopers from coming in and stealing their business - hence, no public option in the ACA.

Since PeePee proclaimed that the replace will happen ā€œin the same week, maybe same day, even the same hour!ā€ as the repeal, the GOF is screwed. And although I’m not a porn viewer, this is a hard screwing that I look forward to watching.

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But we are NOT having a discussion of how to cover the most people. We are having a repeal by change of Senate rules, without any of the discussion of policy that you think is going on or should be going on. The hypocrite Senate Republicans offered 1,000 amendments to the ACA to make it Insuror friendly, and then whined about ā€œtransparencyā€ when the final Bill was Assembled and provided to them. What they are doing is totally without transparency and we are all going to be given no chance to discuss. We will be given a take it or leave it Bill that is worked out in the back rooms and corridors by GOP congressmen, senators and their lobbyist paymasters.

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It’s pointed at the American people who are benefitting from it directly, and the people who don’t want to see loved ones lose coverage and die, or go bankrupt, or go bankrupt themselves when the whole family has to step in to help pay for meds or necessary procedures of family members who suddenly don’t have insurance when Republicans axe the ACA. And, if there’s any sanity left within this country, its pointed at future election prospects of the Republicans who voted it out with no plan to mitigate the enormous damage this could do. What’s taking place here could lead to the deaths of American citizens or the end of their livelihoods. Many of them. And who knows what ripples this can have throughout the whole economy.

To which Republicans will gleefully reply: ā€œPerfect, let’s do this, gotta stick it to O’bummer!ā€

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The Rethugs want to get rid of the subsidies very quickly. Without the subsidies, many plans are just unaffordable. They might still be offered but they can’t be purchased. So the ACA gone.

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Last week he said a proposed repeal bill that would also repeal the funding mechanism that pays for the ACA would add to the deficit. He is being consistent.

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This is just the easy part, a nonbinding symbolic resolution that says, ā€œBe it resolved that we’re gonna repeal Obamacare.ā€

Let’s see the replacement plan.

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The Dems set up a series of important votes which took a lot of time, all to have the GOP on record.

Just a fact.

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There’s a certain method to the madness. What he knows, and has known ever since he developed penis envy at Ronald Reagan when Reagan carried Kentucky by 280,000 votes while McTurtleface was only carrying it by 8,000 (regardless of the fact that McTurtleface was taking on a popular incumbent, but he seems to be incapable of noticing the glass half full), what he knows is preserving and enhancing Republican power by destroying peoples’ hope in government. Financial solvency? Schmolvency. He doesn’t give a rip, unless it’s about power, power, power. Nor, amazingly enough, does Susan Collins. Or Lamar Alexander, who has been grumbling about this a lot but can never seem to show backbone. Only Rand Paul, who demonstrates that he is actually serious about the deficit. The only Senate Republican who is.

Make them OWN this disaster! No help from the Left, stand firm and make sure you freaking message this. I actually like Schumer’s twist on Trump’s campaign slogan…Make America Sick Again.

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ā€œTrump oozed confidenceā€
I guess that’s one way of looking at it. Myself, I thought he oozed something of a different nature.

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I don’t understand why this is even in the mix. What’s McTurtle so happy about? Until they come up with a replacement plan there’s no serious discussion to be had. They won’t get the votes w/o it to pass and have been told by Trump, basically, no replacement, no repeal.

So, what’s all the fuss about? Is this a walk-through to HC Armageddon or are they just practicing their end zone dance.

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Please, don’t start with ooze and Trump anything. I’m only pouring my 2nd cup of java. And I’m outa creamer.

Edit: and no thank you, I’ll drink it black.

Can anyone explain to me why no one is asking them about losing their own insurance ?

Most of Congress and their staffers are enrolled in the Obamacare DC exchange.

I am confused

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Well, he is. He’s a high-functioning sociopath. No crazy like that kind of crazy.

And the thing is, he enjoys the taunting. Because all you have to do is replace ā€œthe American Peopleā€ with ā€œright wing billionaire oligarchsā€ and he’ll stand there and tell you exactly what he’s doing and why.

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About those high deductibles - Kevin Drum had an illuminating article on that subject:

Edit to add excerpt from article:

The average deductible decreased from $900 to $850 in 2016. And as you can see if we extrapolate from the figures in the table, it looks like nearly two-thirds of all enrollees had deductibles under $1,000. Only about a fifth had the horror-story $6,000+ deductibles that we hear so much about.

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Republicans are so blinded by their animosity toward anything ā€œObamaā€ that they have lost sight of what they are doing to this country.

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They will blame it on Obama in particular, and Dems as well. The increase in 2017 premiums is where they start. When trump talks about it he says premiums went up 100% . He doesn’t mention that most didn t go up by thT much, and some ent down. It has become"the truth" because they say it in a vacuum and are never refuted in real time.

Premiums are still rising more slowly than prior to the ACA. Hospitals will go back to losing needed $$, and people will once again have bankruptcies because of medical expenses.

The only way they can do as they promise (make costs cheaper – is by providing an inferior product), and to (make insurance coverage better – they can’t do both, so they will only do the first). Why? Because they don’t care.

But when all this falls apart they will blame it on the dems. We can sit on our hands or protest with FACTS!

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McConnell is the worst, the absolute worst. Soulless, unethical, immoral, amoral.

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