Discussion for article #237917
Keep flogging that dead horse, Scotty. It will rise and carry you to victory any day now!
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the only alternative left for the American people is to support an amendment to the U.S. Constitution
IOW’s, you all lost.
It’s over dude.
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You don’t have to coerce anyone, Scotty my boy. We’ll do that if they make it necessary. People whose professional duties are at odds with their superstitions need to either set those superstitions aside in the conduct of those duties or find another line of work. It’s just that simple.
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I Won’t ‘Coerce You To Act Against Your Religious Beliefs’
Unless you’re in a union.
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My religious beliefs tell me that nudity and smoking weed are part of God’s plan.
I’m going to head over to the Wisconsin State Capitol, take off my clothes, and light up a spill in celebration of my spirituality.
Glad to know that Scott Walker’s government will not coerce me to act against my religious beliefs.
That’s how this works, right?
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I want to poke a hole in a few things here.
First, this talking point that it should be left up to the states. That’s all well and good, but states are not allowed from passing laws that violate the Constitution. That’s part of the deal for being part of the Union. Laws not allowing gays to marry are clearly in violation of the Equal Rights Clause…there is no logical argument around that, and indeed, most opponents immediately fall back to this states right issue when you bring that up…as if states are somehow excluded from that. They most definitely are not, indeed one can argue that states are the primary target for the clause.
Secondly, the big behind push for this has not been gay rights activists. Its sweeping the nation so rapidly because Big Business doesn’t want to deal with a quiltwork of different laws regarding how they compensate their employees. They very people who are funding Walker’s campaign, want this done, largely because Big Business doesn’t give a rat’s ass for states rights…they want a homogeneous market…it saves billions on marketing; one national ad campaign, not 50 separate ad campaigns. And they have largely been moving towards that for close to 6 decades.
So what Walker is saying here is nothing but complete pandering…even worse, its pandering that he doesn’t support, because if we know anything about Walker, he is bought and sold to the corporate interests…and believes exactly what they tell him to believe.
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And what about the religious beliefs of gay couples that believe marriage is an important part of their faith?
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“said the Court’s decision in Obergefell v. Hodges left the American people with only one alternative.”
The one alternative is to STFU and go on with your miserable little lives and find another focus for your perverted obsession with other people’s sex lives.
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Because in Amerka the Chosen Church of State supersedes the first amendment of the US Constitution. If you happen to suck from the teat of the government in your local clerk of courts office and put YOUR religion before your job, you should no longer be in your position. Settled.
I like your religion. Does it have a name?
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Damn, I wish I wasn’t in MKE. I’d bring some incense.
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The Amendment against Gay Marriage thing AGAIN?
…as if you could, Scottie.
Great idea, Scott! Let’s take your less than 20% to a constitutional convention and see what happens…
Speaking purely from a partisan political standpoint, there’s no doubt that the GOP will use the ACA and gay marriage SCOTUS decisions to whip the GOP base into a spittle-flecked frenzy for the 2016 election. The GOP won’t have any trouble doing that, so the question is whether Democrats will also get to the polls, or will they sit at home sucking their thumbs the way they do in off-year elections.
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I bet the referendum that passed in 2006 would fail today, given how opinions have changed in the years since then. So the states rights isn’t much of a refuge.
Nor is the “religious freedom” either. For all the talk about forcing people to do things against their religion, in the real world that isn’t going to happen. No one is forced to attend a wedding, nor are clergy forced to perform one. The argument about caterers and photographers has no real world validity. No one wants a caterer or photographer hanging around a wedding they don’t want to be at. If I were`arranging a wedding and someone told me they were reluctant to do it, for any reason at all, my reaction would be" “Bye-bye, I’'ll take my business elsewhere”
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Conservatives sure love the Supreme Court when they rule their way. Bush v. Gore was like jurissploogence to these twits. But when the court saves the Right from themselves they sure pour on the tantrums. Suck it up, assholes.
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Can you reduce all the valid concepts you put forth here in a form small enough to be read clearly on an automobile bumper-sticker?
If Democratic constituencies gave a damn about voting, Scotty here would be debating the best way to fund Planned Parenthood.
It is this torpid somnolence, laced with distration of derpish proportions which is the Front and Center of our predicament since the 1970s…
Confederates and Reactionaries have always been a part of the political landscape of the United States. Their presence is as permanent and unmoving in trajectory as glaciers. The “coming awake” periods of U.S. history have been when the rest of us connected the dots between voting–responsible elected officials–better public policy–better quality of life.
Its not Godzilla versus Iron Man
Talk about projection. The only people who were coerced are those that couldn’t marry the person they love prior to this ruling.
No one is forcing anyone to get married, gay or straight.
You have a warped understanding of freedom, Scotty.