Discussion for article #236411
yet they would have gone to war with the false intel .if there 's a buck to be made and force their ideology onto others ⌠there sure as hell gonna do it be it here or overseas
Walkerâs handlers at least have him on a leash. Notice that they wait until everybody else has weighed in on this, including the right wing media, and then he issues a statement.
Which of course is aimed, not at any republican, including Jeb, but at Hillary and Obama, as if it was all their fault.
Complete BS, of course, but that is the correct response. It sets him up as the front runner; he doesnât have to take shots at the lessers in the race with him, he focuses on his eventual competitor in the general instead. Its the sort of âbridge the schisms-everyone can rally behind Scottâ type of statement that the RNC is looking for.
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Somehow this whole hashing over Iraq seems a sideshow when Netanyahoo has so much influence with the GOPTP, they are bound and determined to undermine any Iran agreements which tells me they would go to war with Iran and against the Palestinians right after the inaugural speech in exchange for Adelsonâs money and support, the Koch brothers money and support, the military industries money and support to get themselves elected.
The entire Iraq question keeps the talk away from the theocracy talk, deportation of immigrants, and budgetary sabotage greater than we have seen yet.
Our media continue to be pipers leading lemmings over the brink.
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I like this trend of asking the GOP candidates questions about what they would have done âknowing what we know nowâ about other Bush debacles. For instance:
âGov. Walker, Sen Cruz, Sen Rubio, etc., Knowing what we know now, would you have worked to undermine and undercut FEMA and place an Arabian horse fancier, Michael Brown in charge of it?â
http://www.southernstudies.org/2005/09/how-bush-dismantled-fema.html
âGov. Walker, Sen Cruz, Sen Rubio, etc., Knowing what we know now, would you, like George Bush have supported unfunded and catastrophic tax cuts and refunds?â
âGov. Walker, Sen Cruz, Sen Rubio, etc., Knowing what we know now, would you have supported the deregulation and coddling of the financial industry prior to the 2008 financial catastophe?â
The list goes onâŚ
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It is not so much as in hindsight but rather in foresight that the Iraq war was a mistake. I mean even if the intelligence had been correct and Saddam had chemical weapons, weapons based on WW1 technology and obsolete by WW2, other than terrorists now having those weapons, the war would still have been a disaster for America.
To begin with I think the intelligence was right. âIt is inconceivable we invaded Iraq over suspected WMDs and then failed to secure any suspected WMD site upon taking over the country.â Former Bush chief weapons inspector David Kay.
That is we know from Bushâs actions, securing ONLY the Oil Ministry and the oil fields why Bush invaded Iraq. But even if Bush had invaded over WMDs defined to include chemical weapons which we all thought Saddam had, the war would still have been a disaster.
Pat Buchannon called those of us opposed to the Iraq War from the beginning as âthe Coalition of the Intelligentâ. Not having as high opinion of myself I call those of us opposed to the war from the beginning as âthe Coalition of the not really dumbâ.
That regardless of WMDs or no WMDs, America was never prepared to pay the cost for a successful war. For the war to have been successful Bush would have needed at least 300,000 troops to occupy Iraq for 10 years (can you say DRAFT) and $1,000,000,000,000.00 in rebuilding/infrastructure Marshall type plan (can you say TAX INCREASE) as America did in Germany, Japan et al after WW2.
The fact is America was never going to pay the price for the Iraq War to be anything other than the disaster it is today WMDs or no WMDs. When this became clear to even the hardest supporters of the war, Bush and the GOP chose to shed even more blood and other treasures to delay the full extent of the disaster until Bush was out of office and others could be blamed. Something else we all predicted Bush would do before the war began.
The problem is that the mainstream media which ignored, insulted and otherwise marginalized those of us who understood the challange of Iraq and instead beat the drums of war for Bush over the lie of WMDs is now looking to excuse its own part in this disaster by saying if only we had known there were no WMDs we would not have invaded. But the fact is even had there been WMDs we should still not have invaded and Bush and the media are guilty of misleading America into this disater by lying and helping Bush lie about the cost of the war.
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They know this. It is why they all throw out that Hillary Clinton voted for the war. The Republican party canât be attacked for its lack of foresight if the Democratic partyâs candidate also demonstratively lacked the same foresight.
It is now known that Bush-43 ignored multiple indicators about 9/11. It is also known that Saddamâs downfall was a top priority of his from the moment he took office. It is known that Team Bush concocted a series of lies to convince Congress and the American people to invade Iraq. And it is known Cheneyâs oil task force got a document detailing oil companiesâ interest in Iraqi contracts in March 2001.
So for Walker to claim that any president would have invaded Iraq, that president would have to have been lax about intel warnings, had a reason to want the Iraqi leader dead, been willing to engage in a massive disinformation campaign, and tied at the hip to big oil.
Is Walker claiming heâd be that kind of president?
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Yeah, it was all just a big âoopsie.â And also, we lost the Vietnam War because ve vere shtabbed in der back by journalists who showed people what war really looks like.
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Yes, if there is a quintessential âdevilâ in the GOP pack of poltroons, itâs this man. Lubricious, larcenous, and loathsome, the MSM will ignore his ineptitude and criminality, slavering all over this man to the extent that the cumulative dripping saliva will create a slipping hazard.
All the while, the MSM will be inventing and obsessing over any kind of weird âcontroversiesâ and âscandalsâ involving Hillary. Hillary didnât tip a waitress; Hillary wonât talk to us; some rich guy in France, U.K., Bahrain, Burkina Faso, etc. donated to the Clinton foundation; Hillary was mean and disrespectful to Bernie Sanders because she disagreed with him on whether light beer was less filling than regular beer.
âYeah, Hillary sucks, because, you know, she just sucks and we all say so; and we all heard that somebody heard and thatâs incontestable proof.â
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Walkerâs been hiding in Israel all week. And it was a written statement by his handlers, since Walker-with-a-mic has been gaffe-prone of late.
I sure hope someoneâs going to call them out on this bullshit. If i was being implicated in Walkers statement iâd jump all over their shit
See, in the Republican world itâs entirely possible to have oneâs cake and to eat it as well. Iâm not sure if their pandering is more offensive to me than their whining about being âvictimsâ, but both of them come across as rather juvenile.
Of course you know Scotty is in Israel and met with Netanyahu the other day. Keep in mind he is still not running, just like he told the voters this fall when he ran for reelection. I am still waiting for the rest of the electorate to find out just who he really is. He is not smart, pretty or honorable but he sure is loaded with Koch and Adelson money. He is a very scary man.
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Sure they can. Republicans controlled the intelligence apparatus through the executive branch. Congress could only see intelligence that was authorized for them to see by the executive branch. HRC and too many others in congress made the mistake of trusting the administration to give them accurate information. It was a huge mistake, to be sure. Members should have demanded real evidence in light of the fact that UN inspectors had found nothing. But it was still a mistake on congressâ part, whereas members of the administration were lying through their teeth.
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I was thinking how âcourageousâ these republican light weights are. If any of them had stones they would have indicated that they would be much more careful than W was, in verifying the intel. They are all just admitting they are lemmings. Not impressive.
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Unfortunately, President Obama and Secretary Clinton hastily withdrew
our troops, threw away the gains of the surge, and embarked on a broader
policy of pivoting away from the Middle East and leading from behind
that has created chaos in the region.
Yeah, itâs all Obamaâs fault that the Bush administration backed the incompetent sectarian al Maliki for Prime Minister, and that the US-trained Iraqi military, led by a corrupt officer corps, fled at the first engagement with ISIS, leaving their US-supplied weapons to be picked up by ISIS fighters. That darn Obama.
David Frum gets to the heart of the matter.
David Frum, a former speechwriter for George W. Bush, put it on Twitter this week: âJeb Bush has just converted an election that should be about the past eight years into an election about the eight years before that.â
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What a bunch of crap. Walker woulda dove right into Iraq. Heâd do it now given 1/2 a chance.
So for Walker to claim that any president would
have invaded Iraq, that president would have to have been lax about
intel warnings, had a reason to want the Iraqi leader dead, been willing
to engage in a massive disinformation campaign, and tied at the hip to
big oil.
Is Walker claiming heâd be that kind of president?
No. Heâs claiming heâll always do the right thing and that all of the things on your list are just liberal media lies. Thatâs pretty much the go-to statement for everything that doesnât work out the way they say it will.
It probably goes without saying, but if the media was actually as liberal as RWNJâs claim, there would be a lot less republicans elected to federal and state office.