Discussion for article #236354
Do you know whatâs more offensive to me as a veteran than telling me the war effort wasnât worth it (something Iâve already deduced on my own)? Invading a country for no reason with no plan on what to do after we get there. Rushing us into war poorly equipped. Lying to me and pretending to care about our feelings you are assuming are so delicate, and hiding behind this to avoid telling the truth. Generally being a coward.
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Jebâs choices:
a) My brother squandered thousands of American and allied lives, tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of Iraqi lives and a trillion and a half dollars on a stupid, senseless war. Thatâs why the architects of that war are on my campaign team. So vote for me.
b) My brother squandered thousands of American and allied lives, tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of Iraqi lives and a trillion and a half dollars on a war that, in retrospect, turned out to be a mistake but seemed like a good idea at the time, one I was vociferously supporting even before he was elected. Thatâs why Iâve brought all my old PNAC pals onboard with my campaign! So vote for me.
c) It was a great idea and a glorious victory for America. Thatâs why Iâve got the architects of that war advising me. Vote for me and America will march from glorious consqust to glorious conquest!
And thatâs it. Those are his options. Youâd think he, his donors and his media cheerleaders would have thought through the fact that none of those answers is anything less than the end of his presidential hopes before they begin before he started this thing.
But then, the media cheerleaders are the same people who supported the Iraq War on the assumption that surely their was a well-thought out occupation plan already in place.
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Nobody asked Jeb Bush if it was worth it, but asked him knowing what we know now should we have going to war in Iraq. The answer is hell no. No soldier that has ever put his or her life on the line for their country is ever diminished for going to war for that country. Telling the truth is better than lying to soldiers, and their family. Those who died because we did believe at the time of the Iraq war there were WMDs, their lives and the sacrifices soldiers and their families made are not diminished at all.
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Itâs not easy wrapping yourself in the flag while tap-dancing and youâre just making it harder for him. Heâll be doing photo op with disabled combat veterans in 5-4-3-2-1.
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a significant number of the GOP base unironically believes C is the best choice.
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Significant, perhaps, but not significant enough to give him odds that Han Solo would take.
Yes. Notice how they treat veterans like children.
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There is another choice and one that Cheney uses. Itâs all Obamaâs fault.
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Iâm a vet too, Saren. We knew, ohh, about day 2, in Iraq, that it was bullshit that we were there. And by we, I mean my team. As a hospital corpsman, Iâve, as you could all surmise, have seen messed up shit. With that said, I would prefer someone be straight with me, and not insult mine, or the fallenâs collective intelligence. I promise you, Jebya, we can take it. The truth is never a disservice. It just goes to show that Jeb, like his brother, has a weak constitution and is a fucking coward.
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I have been thinking about this since yesterday and I believe the reason Jeb Bush canât say no to the question of should we have gone to war with Iraq knowing what we know today is because he still would have gone to war. I think that he was part of the neocon group that pushed for war with Iraq and he cannot say no with a straight face. Hiding behind soldiers and their families is pathetic.
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While at dinner a few weeks past, we overheard an elderly woman at the next table (who seemed a natural supporter for Jeb: affluent, white, elderlyâŚ) remark that she ââŚwould vote for an actual bush in my yard before I would vote for another member of the Bush family.â
I almost blew coffee outtaâ my nose.
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What is worseâŚlying about the merits of the war to coddle the survivors of its dead or being truthful, facing that and the families of those that died thus NEVER doing this again. If it was not worth itâŚand no one believes it wasâŚjust how patriotic and supporting of the troops is it to bullshit their families and country about their deaths.
You have to wonder if this is about the troops at all. If we sayâŚâit was not worth itâ we arenât telling anyone, including the dead soldiers survivors, anything they donât know. The only thing that changes is the way we look at the 2003 hawks. That would include the Bushâs. If we come to a national consensus that it âwas not worth itâ we come to a national consensus that GW Bush wasnât worth a shit either. We are free to see him for the monster evil he is. A man that sent thousands of Americans and countless thousands of innocents in Iraq to their deaths. Just because of an imaginary feud his fucking family had with Saddam.
Thatâs why no one wantâs to say âit was not worth itâ.
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Amen Brother, or Sister. In 1969 I was drafted and sent to Southeast Asia. I will be the first in line to say the war wasnât worth losing a single drop of American blood over. Chicken hawks. So sick of them pretending to care about veterans or the troops. âSupport our troopsâ, when really they are just supporting them as targets.
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Volunteering for the military doesnât mean surrendering your common sense, intelligence or judgment at the door. You do have to follow orders, but that was the bargain upon enlisiting. Why does everyone presume that every soldier toting a rifle and walking the streets of Tikrit thought the war was a good idea? Merely by virtue of the uniform they were wearing? There might be more people in the military you win to your side calling the Afghanistan/Iraq insanity a mistake than those you impress in lauding it.
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So heâs invoking nameless service people who either died or were grievously injured because of his brother, and hiding behind them so as to insulate himself from criticism. Time to update the dictionaries so the word âgutlessâ has Jebâs picture there.
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Remember the White House Correspondents Ball where GWB showed a video of himself searching for WMDs? The laugh riot that had him crawling around the Oval Office, looking under furniture, saying something like âI know theyâre here somewhereâ? Remember that, Jeb? Iâm sure you rebuked your brother for making a joke on the backs of those brave Americans whom he sent to lose their lives. Had you said anything then, perhaps people would have thought of you as someone other than a guy who thinks the Presidency is his birthright.
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Dear Mr. Scarborough,
Self centered much Joe. Your main concern is that YOU have been telling people how smart and competent Jeb Bush is when it is obvious he is neither?
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Iâm sure the family of Pat Tillman would corroborate your theory. The families of the fallen are not dumb. Donât treat them like they are, Asshole Jebya.
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Joe S would know a âmental thingâ when he saw it. He has one