Of course this post is true, and I thank you for finding the article and bringing me the link. But I can’t imagine that anyone in this administration will ever
More’s the pity.
I don’t believe I said anything about probable cause for searches. The rules about that have to do with what can be seen from outside the car. But the border patrol has many resources with which to generate a reason to send someone to secondary inspection, such as sniffer dogs.
Your citation does not address what is required of persons going through a checkpoint. You are required to answer questions about your citizenship, and I think also about where you are going and where you are traveling from.
By “like” I did not mean that the laws are identical to those at border crossings. I meant to suggest that they were different from what we ordinarily understand as our rights. I am certain of this, and am sorry for my failure to communicate this more effectively.
I don’t think she should have been kicked out of the restaurant. If she was being obstreperous, yes - but apparently she was just there to eat. It’s the sort of mean-spirited thing Trumpsters do - and we surely are better people than to stoop to that level. She is doing a job. I don’t like the lies, either, but that doesn’t mean she can’t eat dinner in a public restaurant. Liars eat out all the time. Businesses open to the public should not refuse to serve people just because they don’t like them. That’s not what we’re about as a country. If you want to pick and chose your customers, keep your business private.
No it was not at all mean-spirited. The owner let the servers vote on it - Sarah lost. As the owner told Sarah, it was a matter of principle. That is not being mean.
By god decent people should not accept Nazis in their midst.
You mean like a restaurant that says: No shirt No Shoes No Service? Everybody picks and chooses their customers.
…is an American hero.
No Sarah, they kicked you out because you work for Trump.
I guess now she feels how those two gay dudes felt when that homophobe wouldn’t back a kake for their wedding
I addressed this in two ways.
First, I quoted the code which says that immigration agents may interrogate “any alien or person believed to be an alien…” A citizen is not an alien, and without probable cause, is not a “person believed to be an alien.”
Second, I noted that the legal code exempts immigration officials from certain specific restrictions that apply to other law-enforcement agents. but that those exemptions do not include the 5th amendment. I provided a link to the code. The 5th amendment provides us the right to refuse to answer the questions at a checkpoint.
I’ve reached the limits of what I can contribute to the discussion. It is not an area where I claim expertise, and it is not necessary for us to reach full agreement. I appreciate your civility and sincerity, and will close my end of this with a couple links to ACLU materials on the subject. As they note, agents and agencies often assume greater powers than the law seems to provide, and it sometimes takes court cases to establish the limits.
Show me your papers.
It’s legal to stop all drivers to check for intoxication, sort of a “reasonable suspicion”. But how is this kind of universal stop and search in any way legal? Just driving down the interstate is not grounds for suspicion about your citizenship status. And there is no requirement to carry proof of who you are other than DL for the driver, I suppose, and that doesn’t show citizenship, does it?
This seems precisely to be the kind of thing the 4th amendment is supposed to protect us from.
Update: This twit of Huckleberry’s has been ruled unethical by the person in charge of Congressional ethics because it violated the injunction against using your political position to either aid or scourge someone else economically.
I don’t know much about the Red Hen restaurant, it appears to be pretty good and in the unlikely event I need to grab some lunch in that part of Virginia, I’ll certainly patronize them. It is certainly better than Chick-Fil-A.
I suspect the restaurant is in the clear: SHS and company are likely to stiff them for the bill and likely to disrupt the business.
They didn’t have to pay (they offered) their tab, because the owner frankly wanted them out of there.
I think there are laws or regulations in place which permit this based on how many miles from the border you are. The closer you are, to Canada in this instance, it sounds like it’s permissible. But I’m not lawyer.
Yeah, we settled that “just following orders” isn’t cover for perpetrating or enabling crimes against humanity 70 years ago, so the whole “just doing a job” excuse for presenting lies and apologia for this administrations crimes doesn’t really cut it.
The vast majority of the U.S. population lives within 100 miles of the border (including seacoasts).
There is a lesson to be learned here.
Because Obama was not particularly confrontational, even with his enemies, he never reeled these people in. So now you have a huge discipline problem. You deal with it by forcefully punishing the whole force, and make it clear that this is what happens if you persist in maintaining a blue wall (combat khaki wall? orange wall?) of silence.
I assume this all shows up now on Waze? If not, start reporting their location there and anywhere else. When these things happen, someone needs to get up in the foliage by the road with a videocamera (not a phone, something with good range) and a shotgun mike. With, of course, a good escape path in case the critters turn violent.
According to the ACLU, people who work in the can’t be refused service based on political affiliation or ideology. The Law is the DC Human Rights Act. That applies to the Red Hen in DC (Edit: this Red Hen is in VA so it does not apply there), and there are similar laws in Seattle and the Virgin Islands. And they make perfect sense. No discrimination should be allowed. If you have the only gas station in town, you should not be able to refuse gas to someone based on politics. That’s absurd. You have been allowed to have a service station in town, you serve the public.
More importantly, I think stupid shit like this helps Trump. Sanders was not creating a scene. Plus they had already bought food and drinks to the table. Sanders actually offered to pay for them, but the owner said it was all on the house.
This childish BS plays right into Trump’s hand. Just like disrupting his rallies, etc., in 2016. That stuff HELPS him, he gets to cry “victim”. This is basic common sense. Let them finish their meals, and on their way out politely lecture them that the restaurant employs LBGT people, and that they feel they deserve equal treatment under the law and that they are not pleased with current policies. In that situation the liberals look good, the Trumpers look bad. Instead, these morons helped Trump.
The restaurant in question isn’t in DC.
Correction - The D.C. Human Rights Act “makes discrimination illegal based on 20 protected traits for people that live, visit or work in the District of Columbia,” including political affiliation. And yes, the ACLU article was not written well, they were referring to the Red Hen in DC. This one is in VA. My mistake.
Which is still irrelevant as the restaurant still isn’t in DC.