Discussion for article #246592
Yes, Sanders did better with white voters and younger African American voters, but he still lost all three groupsâŚ
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âOn the other hand, if you look at the younger people, African-American younger people and whites, we did much better.â
You still lost those groups by double-digits.
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I suppose thereâs not much else to say when you lose by nearly 50 points.
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CBS Newsâ âFace the Nationâ host John Dickerson asked Sanders if his âfatal flawâ was not connecting his economic justice message with black voters.
I realize this was a question from the moderator, but the phraseology shows even the moderator doesnât get it. The economic justice message is only part of the equation. A much larger part is the systemic, institutional roadblocks. Bernie should have taken the cue to educate the viewers that economics is a big factor but only part of the issue. The fact he didnât do so only lends more credence to the argument he is a one issue candidate.
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Seems like South Carolina wasnât feeling the Bern.
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I think that Charles Blow has this right. Black voters, especially in the South, especially those over 40, donât like others telling them whatâs best for them. The fact is, that in South Carolina, voters looked around and saw a movement. The movement was not a movement for economic justice. It was not a movement against oppression. It was a powerful movement to oppress minorities, blame immigrants, and spew hate. The movement that is spreading around this country like an aggressive cancer is not a progressive socialism, but racism and authoritarianism.
Look at the vote totals for South Carolina:
Hillary Clinton: 271,514
Donald Trump: 239,851
Marco Rubio: 165,881
Ted Cruz: 164,790
Bernie Sanders: 95,977
Jeb Bush: 57,863
John Kasich: 56,206
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This was closer to annihilated than decimated, but I understand the candidateâs need to spin the results.
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So when Clinton wins we donât play that game about expectations? We played it when Bernie won big in New Hampshire. Clinton was expected to win South Carolina, she won as expected.
It looks like turnout for Republicans is much higher than for Democrats. Are we crowing about Hillary winning in a state she wonât carry in the general?
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She was expected to win big by 20 points or so, and she more than doubled that and crushed expectations. She performed better with black voters in SC than even Obama. Itâs a very big deal. And such a big win suggests that some of the hand-wringing about whether or not sheâll be able to turn out the black vote, an extremely crucial demographic for a Democratic win, is unwarranted.
Which just goes to show that Sanders talk of sparking a revolution that will send millions of new voters to the polls is hyperbole.
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Grateful though I am to have him in this race [1], being âdecimatedâ by an event that a blind man could have seen coming only adds to the impression that Bernie is not as realistic as one might hope.
[1] I hope something wonderful happens to him after the convention. [2]
The Ds and everyone to the left of the Republicansâ batsht owe him a lot, for keeping our side of this conversation so visibly more intelligent, civilized and sane than those of our opponents.
[2] Ideally? Heâd get the VP spot.
Together, he and Hillary would have coat-tails like you wouldnât believe; the Republicans would never know what hit them.
Remember Karl Roveâs freak-out on Election Night 2012? This time, heâd be weeping openly.
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Or maybe it shows heâs very realistic and did not waste resources in a state he could not win.
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Why not? We crowed about Obamaâs victoryâŚin a state he wasnât going to carry, SC.
Kathleen Parker was on with Chris Matthews the other night and said, if Trump was the nominee of the GOP there is a very good chance the Dems would carry SC (an a whole lot of other red states)
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I think the presence of Barack Obama and Bill Clinton on the campaign trail will do much to increase voter turnout.
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There is a secret to being a supporter of Bernie Sanders. It is something that totally escapes the thinking of most Republicans and Democrats.
It the mental understanding that Sanders is fighting a war that most people are not. It is the war between corporations and the people.
Unless you are fighting this war as well, you cannot possibly understand why we feel its important that Bernie be heard, respected and voted for.
This is not about Hillary v Bernie, it is about our real enemies, the multi-national corporations who are trying to control this nation and this world. You ignore this war at your own peril.
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But you do you and I have 60 plus years to continue to do me.
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She won by 50 points, lunkhead.
That was not expectedâthe expectation was for 15 to 20 points.
She beat Bernie like a rented mule.
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Oh my, please NO! We need a VP heir apparent who is actually younger than our Pres.
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âYou ignore this war at your own peril.â
Itâs a hard sell Janus as everything is so immediate.
You talk about capitalism as being unsustainable and you get a dirty look. You talk about Bectel Corp gaining control of water management and water distribution in the Middle East and you get the âyou okay dudeâ response. You ask what capitalism should do with people that cannot be used to produce wealth and who are too poor to be constant consumers, and friends start backing away from you.
When Bernie was asked about the greatest threat to America in one of the debates,he said âthe environmentâ, after HRC and OâMalley both said âISISâ. There was an intellectual pause in the room, a WTF you talkinâ about pause. He did his best to explain his answer but people and commentators were stuck, almost shaking their heads stuck.
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A disingenuous selection of the numbers for turnout. Trump was not the only Republican, and Clinton was not the only Democrat
So:
Democrats 271514+95977=367,491
Republicans 239851+165881+164790+57206=627,728
And of course it remains to be seen how many Sanders voters Clinton can uninsult, or how many anti-Trump votes can be converted to Trump votes.
I see this battle coming, and if I were 20-something Iâd look at the trends and demand changes now. I can see young people supporting Bernie, stagnant wages for the next 50 years and crippling college debt is not a future to look forward to.
As someone on the cusp of retiring this battle is frightening, changing the rules after my ability to react has ended; but Bernie Sanders would make this transition humane. Bernie is 100% behind Social Security, but Clinton is a continuation of Obama, which means more catfood commissions, more âgrand bargainsâ, and more attempts to cut Social Security benefits without owning up to it.
After 4 years of Clinton Iâll be poorer and youâll be deeper in debt; even less prepared to deal with upheaval.
Bill Clinton fought hard for NAFTA, which was the first cudgel against working class wages. Hillary was for TPP, the most recent. Now sheâs against it, but does anybody believe that once in office she wouldnât be for it again?
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