He was on Morning Joe the other day and managed to make himself look like a total idiot.
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Most of Bernieâs supporters are very enthusiastic and hate Clinton anyway.
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Right. And yet, Iâm still waiting for a coherent argument as to why it helps Team Clinton to behave just like them.
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Itâs a Super PAC. That is not her campaign. Huge difference. Bernie was correct to specify that it was a Super PAC.
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When I saw him on Chris Hayes he was vehement in his defense of Hillary and even made some good points, but he was more than a little over the top. In a phrase, Iâd call him:
âHillaryâs Rottweiler Off-leashâ
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My regard for David Plouffe increasesâŚ
This election is Hillaryâs to lose.
Sheâs going to have to get rid of the Brownshirts.
I do not know the type of position Karen Finney has in Hillaryâs campaign, but I hope she is smarter than this. If she is, I also hope she has some input.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot (ReThugg lite) stuffâŚpeople are on to this. It will not work here
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I see the problem with The Establishment transcends political parties. Too many billionaires think they are The Establishment and are actively competing to buy their way in.
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He looked and sounded like every Corporate fuck I have been forced to (as an academic) interact with.
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Well, I think it helps Team Clinton by reminding people of the kinds of attacks Sanders would face if he won the nomination. I like Bernie but I try to point that out myself occasionally without pissing off his ardent supporters.
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And So It Begins ---I really donât get this. I also believe that the Citizenâs United decision is abominable, but if Bernie Sanders or his supporters or any other progressive members of the Democratic Party - including me, BTW - believe they can ignore the need for money in the 2016 election, then they are in for a very rude awakening. This is an ELECTION. Do you think any candidate is going to win without attacking the other? If Bernie or Hillary or Marty or any other Dem doesnât wish to win, then please stay home and watch reruns of âThe West Wingâ. The attacks that Clinton is lobbing are NOTHING compared to what Bernie Sanders will be subjected to, and I can safely say he has never been subjected to the kind of acrimony he will be subjected to by the Republican Party and their Flying Monkeys. He should take a long, hard look at the shit thatâs been thrown at Clinton for the last 25 years. Thatâs just a taste of what may come. And Doremus_Jessup is absolutely right when saying, âIâm not sure how well that defense will work when the attacks are actually coming from the Koch Brothers and Sheldon Adelson.â
Hey, I love Sanders and his principles, but having great principles doesnât mean shit if we have a Republican president, Senate, and House. You can flush abortion rights, gay rights, voting rights, and everything else we cherish down the crapper.
Youâre not running for Senate in the very safe state of Vermont, Senator Sanders. Get used to a lot worse than what Hillary or anyone else from this side of the aisle is going to throw at you. Good luck to all Democratic candidates, but letâs be realistic. We have to play with the hands we are dealt, and money is in the deck. We have to WIN before we can change that despicable fact.
I can see your point, but I would note that this isnât a âreminderâ. They appear to be simply behaving just like the RWNJs. Arguably, I might have less of a problem with an âattackâ add that takes the tack of warning Dems/liberals that Bernieâs viability is questionable as a result of his obvious vulnerabilities to the types of shenanigans in which the GOP/Teatrolls are wont to engageâŚTHAT might alienate the liberal/progressive/base less. Conversely, simply engaging in such shenanigans themselves is unacceptable and I think it WILL alienate liberal/progressive voters, cause resentment, demotivate them if sheâs the nominee and thereby sink her with low turnout.
Iâm a broken record: Her biggest challenge is going to be turnout and motivating the liberal/progressive base to do so âŚnot motivating sane âindependentâ voters who know better than to vote for complete asshats like Trump or Carson. Treating that base as a foregone conclusion, taking their votes for granted or, as we see here, adopting GOP/Teatroll-style rhetoric in order to attack Sanders will result in a resentful, spiteful, unmotivated base that couldnât give two shits about giving Queeny her âturnâ at being POTUS.
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Thanks Lest⌠I know you are Hillary supporter (i am potentially, though I prefer Bernie) and I appreciate that you see this is counter productive, and say as such.
Sometimes our preferences and the gusto behind our advocacy comes across as attacking.
I think the general consensus here shows we are all on the same side in general even though we see different paths to getting to a victory in 2016âŚ
Cheers
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As it stands now, itâs not them.
So for this situation, it is an appropriate response.
Bernie is well aware of this issue and has no problem discussing this As needed.
As of now, itâs not. The audience is the democrats in the primary and calling out republican style attacks cuts exactly the way it needs to.
Letâs see Hillary make a comment denouncing the attack.
Or not, her campaign seems just tone deaf enough to realize itâs needed.
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Actually I have stated numerous times I am leaning towards Sanders if he is viable by the time we vote in the primary here in Oregon in May.
That you think I am in Clintonâs camp simply because I defend her from bullshit smears and emo-prog dumbfuckery hopefully will give you pause regarding assumptions about others and their positions and motives.
I will heartily support the Democratic nominee, whoever that ends up being (though I would have to really hold my nose if by some bizarro-world set of circumstances Webb got the nomination).
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It seems to me that Bernie shouldâve used this opportunity to show potential voters how he would respond to these types of attacks in a general election instead of just resorting to ad hominem arguments. But thatâs just me.
Sheâll likely try to have it both waysâŚ
Thatâs the âbeautyâ of Citizens united and the âinabilityâ to coordinate. Your PAC says what you want to say,but canâtâŚ
Then you simply say, " I disagree, and they shouldnât say it, I have no control"
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Kind of like calling Hitler a Nazi. Bernie may not do that. Heâs pretty sharp.
I agree he canât play it this way for everâŚ
As this is the first (of likely many) There is plenty of time to dissect the arguments.
I think it was smart to put it back on the PAC and thus Hillary as well. They are the ones many in the party will think went out of bounds, I think it was right to call them out.
It also plays into Bernieâs outlook on money on politics, and was a way to highlight this and contrast himself with his more immediate electoral hurdle.
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Pardon me for having missed those statements.
The insulting nature of your responses seem rather committed and having missed any similar ham-fisted responses in defense of A Bernie position, I wasnât aware.
I too have called out BS attacks on Hillary. But I try to have a more even tone.