Discussion for article #245142
Well, we shall see. But I think we can all agree to support the eventual D nominee, no matter who he or she might be - right, people?
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Thatās not even a question. No way in hell Iād vote for any fools from the clown car 
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This is really infuriating: the real headline would be āSanders and Clinton still within the Margin of Error in Iowa Days Before Caucus, According to One Pollā.
Moreover, caucus goers canāt remain with a candidate who isnāt getting 15% of the āvotesā, so to whom do the OāMalley folks gravitate? Did the poll ask about second choices?
Totally frustrating.
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Go ahead and minimize the fact that Sanders has the greatest grass roots support ever recorded. Oh wait, you just did.
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The latest PPP poll from Iowa last week:
OāMalleyās continued presence in the race is helping Clinton. In Iowa we find his supporters would prefer Sanders over Clinton 43/20,
Trump/Cruz Close in Iowa; Birther Issue Could Hurt Cruz; Sanders Gaining on Clinton - Public Policy Polling
Iām a veteran of many Iowa caucuses with the last one being 2008. Since OāMalley is not going to be viable (over15%) in nearly all caucus locations his presence will only mean a about a 20 minute delay as the OāMalley supporters will have to quickly choose another candidate.
If the PPP poll is right then Sanders is looking to get much of OāMalleyās vote.
The weather is supposed to be good Monday for the caucuses with lows in the mid 20ās Iowans wonāt mind dashing out at all.
Iām feeling the Bern!
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I spoke with my 17 year old nephew in Des Moines a couple of nights ago. The family political bug has bitten him and heās looking forward to his first caucus and plans to go with a group from his school. Iowa lets young people who turn 18 before the November election cast votes in the caucus.
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Clintonās failure in Iowa didnāt cost her the presidency, dipshit. Her failure to have a strategy going into Super Tuesday based on math cost her the presidency and that same failure is what cost her Iowa. Pretty clear sheās not making that mistake this time.
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(giggles) Weāre talking about democrats, remember? They love some āIn protest, I refuse to vote.ā Reasons given for not voting for the nominee? I felt that MY needs specific needs werenāt addressed in campaign speeches, and I was dissed, DISSED by supporters of the other candidate! I was traumatized by that! Iām also a one issue voter, and I canāt see the bigger picture. Iām still furious because of something that happened 4 or 8 years ago. Iām not going to vote so that maybe someday the sellout democrats will WAKE UP and realize they canāt take my vote for granted. I also have the mental fortitude of a 3 year old.
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Martin ā Like you, I have been worried about Clintonās viability in the general election. Initially, I wanted anyone but her. But as this goes on, I am getting much more worried about Sanders being our nominee. Iāve decided its time to get real and put aside the hostility Iāve had for Clinton that was left over from the 2008 campaign. If Obama can get over it and see the big picture, so can I. I will support whomever the democratic nominee is ā but going in, I want us to have the best possible chance of winning. I am now looking at Clintonās candidacy positively. Please take a look at these aggregate polls and consider the consequences:
Thatās really cool to hear. Nothing like an informed electorate, what ever their age. My first taste was being a Page in my state house when I was 16. That would mean much more to you if you knew how rural the area was I came from.
Josh and the rest of the nay-sayers around here are on the wrong side of this. Itās one thing to favor HRC and support her efforts to the best of your ability until a D winner is chosen, but itās another thing entirely to keep pretending Bernieās very impressive stats donāt even exist, and that even at this very early stage heās already broken records Obama never did in 2 cycles.
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thanks for providing that insightā¦ and itās also worth considering the lead clinton had just a couple of short months agoā¦ that has completely evaporated.
I think that conventional wisdom is probably right in that there is more risk nominating Sanders vs. Clinton, but I think the potential greater payoff is worth it. And when you consider the incredibly weak and divisive likely R candidate, there has never been a more propitious time for a leftist to get elected.
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" It must make her think of eight years ago when her failure in Iowa cost her the presidency," poll assistance director Peter A. Brown said in a statement released with the results.
So polling firms are now in the political opinion business ?
I think reports of mass refusnik voters, like Mark TwainĀ“s death, are greatly exaggerated.
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also keep in mind, that sanders would likely bring in a considerable number of voters that would then result in a change in the house at the least, and even possibly the senate. and thereās another possible factor ā there have been indications that trump voters could be flipped to support sanders, once they focus on what heās saying. the bases of their messages overlap ā the corruption of the political process and its fealty to the 1%.
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What records do you speak of?
but itās another thing entirely to keep pretending Bernieās very impressive stats donāt even exist, and that even at this very early stage heās already broken records Obama never did in 2 cycles.
Looks like Bernie hasnāt gotten your message:
"Bernie Sanders said Tuesday that he clearly needs a strong
voter turnout to win in Iowa on Monday, but he has no expectation of
reaching the high-water mark set by then-Sen. Barack Obama in 2008.
āObama in 2008 ran a campaign which is really going to stay
in the history books. It was an unbelievable campaign. In places they
ran out of ballots, as I understand,ā Sanders told reporters after a
meeting with the United Steelworkers in Des Moines, Iowa. āThe turnout
was so extraordinary, nobody expected it. Do I think in this campaign
that we are going to match that? I would love to see us do that, I hope
we can.ā
But he added, āFrankly, I donāt think we can. What Obama did in 2008 is extraordinary.ā
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If Bernie is the democratic candidate we will lose the White House. I like many of his ideas, but, unless the House and Senate are flipped there is no way he can accomplish what he is promising. No repub will vote to break up Wall Street banks is just one example.
Sorry, but did I say that Sanders has broken EVERY POSSIBLE type of record?