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Starting now, another issue that we have to keep in mind is that of delegates. So far, Clintonās ahead in delegates and she probably will be after NH.
Oh for the love of Pete Bernie, you won/tied a caucus of white liberals, and next week you will win in East Vermont. That does not make you competitive. The GOP will wipe the floor with you in about two weeks after the convention and itās McGovern 2.0 from there. No state west of Vermont and DC will vote for a self-described Socialist who does a Mondale and promises to raise your taxes. Get real and donāt give us a GOP president, Congress and SCOTUS-- we will never forgive you
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Honestly? Even NOW you canāt give Bernie his due? He has run a clean campaign. He has stood up for his beliefs. He has brought hope to young voters that you can be in politics and NOT be a Cruz or a Trump. You may be for Hillary but Bernie has run a good race. PSā¦āwhite liberalsā get to vote and have it count too!
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If I mayā¦I believe that @Jayhiker was trying to make the point that Sanders coalition of young people and White liberals is all heās got. Outside of IA and VT, itās pretty much downhill from there. Bringing hope to young voters is good but, at some point, heās also got to bring some reality to them as well.
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I am resigned to Hillary ā there is no other choice. I like Sanders and appreciate all he has done to activate people, and his cause is just. But its not realistic and I fear Bernie supporters are naive about his chances. The risk of losing to the GOP is too great to entertain charging at windmills. Letās just not lose sight of the goal: keep the GOP out of the White House and the SCOTUS
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Congratulations to Bernie Sanders. But as others have noted, the South is an entirely different political animal. You canāt write blurbs for books that are critical of President Obama and have as a campaign surrogate a man who detests President Obama and expect to do well with a crucial voting bloc that is extremely supportive of President Obama.
And there arenāt nearly enough white progressives down South to offset that liability.
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In other words, āthey like me!ā. So Sanders will have his sensibilities assuaged because a lot of people will vote for him. He wonāt win, but heāll get some votes. As a career politician, it appears that this is the validation he seeks. New Hampshire should make him happy, but the demographics change in primary states after that.
Iām glad Sanders will impact the dialogue and make Ms. Clinton a better candidate in the general election. Itās the same that she did for Barack Obama in 2008.
Sanders: Iowa Caucus Proves Iām Competitive No Matter Final Outcome
Bernie, Bernie ā The Iowa caucus proves that thereās no accounting for the results of the Iowa caucus. What did it prove about Huckabee in '08, or Santorum (?) in '12? Iowa is Iowa, letās move on to real primaries with real voters who actually vote.
You, and Nate Silver it seems, seem to be fixed in this idea that only white liberals will vote for Sanders. But he is far more popular among low income whites than is either HRC or Obama.
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Well, Bernieās ahead in the NH polls. Hillary is likely to be behind in delegates after NH, but the tide shifts after that.
Not probablyā¦she will be. She had the lead before Iowa, and with Iowa being essentially a tie, its a wash, Sanders didnāt gain 1 delegate to close that gap. NH will give him a small bite out of her delegate lead, but its going to be washed away by SC and NV.
Also bear in mind, building organization in IA and NH is relatively easy compared to everywhere elseā¦because you have plenty of time to do so. By all accounts I have read/heard, Hillaryās organization is much bigger in every state after NH than Sanders. And the demographics get much harder for him.
Splitting Iowa is bad for Hillary in terms of press coverage, but its horrible for Sanders in terms of delegate counts. He needed to winā¦and win by healthy margins.
She has an enormous lead in super delegates, and any talk of those switching to Sanders early on is so much whistling past the grave yard. Life time party members are not about to switch their votes to an independent.
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So, if I understand the strategy you are pushing here, its that Sanders is building a new coalition of whites that is going to power the Dems to a win over the GOP, who is fully committed to a white only strategy?
And, last time I checked, less affluent whites are, you know, still white.
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Agreed, itās good that he brought a lot of young disaffected students into the political arena, and I hope they continue to fight for whatās right and stay politically active their whole lives. ā¦ BUT ā¦ They need to speak with their parents about a man named Ralph Nader and how bright shiny idealism, when not mixed with a small dose of reality, gave us 8 years of the worst presidency in US history, from which weāre still not fully recovered.
Has Bernie run a good race? I donāt know, the campus craze has a touch of āHarlem Shakeā fad-ness to me, but heās turned some heads. But heās not come under fire yet in any significant way, and when commercials start flying with his honeymoon pics at the Kremlin, I donāt think heās gonna handle it well, the Republicans will go places Hillary cannot go if she wants to keep the party together.
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H & B, get used to itā¦
āNo state west of Vermont and DC will vote forā ā¦etc. Just whom are you trying to kid? Washington, Oregon, and California will certainly go for Bernie, as well as many other states north of Mississippi.
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As a resident of a small town in Oregon, there is a lot of support for Bernie here. I talk to quite a few folks, and they know who Bernie is, what he stands for, and are supporting him. These are not starry-eyed dreamers, but are very well versed in politics and have been involved in politics for decades. One of them comes from a family of diehard Republicans who support donald. She is in her sixties and has just changed her affiliation to Democrat so that she can cast a vote for Bernie in the primaries.
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Davey, donĀ“t be a jerk. I was pushing no strategy; I was merely pointing out the fact that contrary to the meme that Sanders appeals only to white liberals, he has at this point expanding appeal to low-income white voters. If Sanders is able to win over minority voters, which I believe he might, then heĀ“s quite viable. But I shouldnĀ“t expect you, at least in your present iteration as an HRC cheerleader, to let your reading comprehension get in the way of a bit of gratuitous snark, I guess.
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Itās kind of funny that the lesson Republicans took from the Goldwater loss was that they had to rebuild the intellectual framework of conservatismāa project that has served them extremely wellāand the lesson Democrats took from the McGovern/Mondale losses was to become more like Republicans.
Maybe for real progress to be made in this country, the Democratic Party needs to stand up for its core beliefs, roll the dice, and perhaps suffer a crushing defeat.
Thanks, youāve helped me to decide to vote for Sanders.
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I am pointing out to you, that your assumption that low-income whites are not liberal is off base, and shows very little to further the case that Bernie is going to increase his appeal to minorities. If anything, it shows that demographically disparate electorates are still a big problem for him, and he continues to rely upon those very white voters that pretty much make up his āAmericaā campaign ad. (Seriously, there are 2 people of color in that ad, both appear to be Indian/Asian)
I am sorry if you feel that having me point out the inconsistencies and problems with the Sanders campaign makes me a jerk, but it how he plays with the minority demographics is a big problem for him. Responding to that by saying āhe does really well with low income whitesā is a rather tone-deaf response in my opinion.
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