Discussion: Sanders Focuses On Policies Not Losses In Speech Tuesday

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OF COURSE, they did…bless their hearts. If it isn’t about TRUMP they cut it off, don’t show it or bring on the pundits. With The Donald we get the whole messy ‘I can’t stay on one topic’ spiel…no wonder it’s so cheap for him to run.

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I thought that Bernie would not do as well as Hillary in the General, and I might be wrong. But as happy as I am with Hillary’s good results tonight, the absence of coverage for this policy-laden speech of Bernie’s is bad for the country, good for the MSM and bad for the people who worked for Bernie.

  1. Bad for those who worked for Bernie because of disillusionment sure to follow.

  2. Bad for the country (see 1. above)

  3. Good for the MSM (see 2. above)

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“It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS.”
— Les “Fuck you, paupers” Moonves

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So wrong on so many levels to not cover Sanders tonight.

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And yet they inflicted us with at least 30 minutes of Ted Cruz pablum. That’s a half hour of my life I will never get back.

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As much as I hate to say this…Barack Obama was the first step in the right direction…in a journey of many steps.

Disillusionment is our nemesis (I mean the kids).

The Oligarchs and their brain trusts have all the time in the world.**

** They don’t of course. The Planet will not wait even for billionaires. But they certainly have the WILL

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The kids are going to be disillusioned, all right. You don´t vote 80%+ for one candidate, and then not be bummed when he doesn´t come out on top. I am really worried about the turnout in the fall.

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Seems to me the turnout in the fall depends an awful lot on how strongly and sincerely Bernie supports Hillary, and how genuinely and forcefully he encourages his supporters to do the same.

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History is funny. As the years pass, “talking points” become, well, talking points. What one DOES assumes permanency. I have always considered Bernie a knight.

Even before this election.

He can be a knight or a knave. If he does what you suggest (and what we both hope), his place in history will be assured.

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Oh, I am sure that Sanders will support Clinton in the fall. But contrary to a lot of speculation round these parts, his youthful supporters are not blind followers of Sanders. They agree with his agenda, but are quite distrustful of HRC. It´s not like Sanders can say ¨vote for Hillary!¨ and they are all going to line up at the voting booth.

OTOH, they really, really do not like Donald Trump, so there´s that.

@emilianoelmexicano

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That’s a bit too schematic when you’re dealing with college kids. They aren’t necessarily political animals and they’re capable of simply turning out the lights. Maybe not all of them but I wouldn’t expect much if Clinton can’t retool her message in a way that speaks to them on a deep level, something she’s so far been unable to do.

Beyond that, I don’t believe Independents will be drawn to Clinton no matter what Sanders says. It’s just not how they roll though some of course will shift. What the others will do is anybody’s guess. Out of my pay range but I don’t think Hillary Clinton’s ever going to be their meat.

And ditto that in re white blue collar workers. Again, a partial shift at best is possible. But a lot of them will go Trump.

It’s only Democratic party regulars who will shift, which shouldn’t be news to anybody.

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An hour? Come on Bernie. I love you man but fact of the matter is that American democrats Know who the best choice is and if the media knew that your speech was an hour long ,that’s why they berned you.

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NPR has been carrying clips from Bernie.

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Maybe that is why they are ignoring Bernie. Low Dem turnout is good for the GOP

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As Bernie Sanders carefully explained last night in his interview with Chuck Todd, Hillary Clinton is the establishment candidate. She has corporate and Wall Street backing. She has the backing of the major media. But if she gets the nomination, which is looking more and more likely, she may have significant trouble in the general election precisely because so much of the electorate is fired up against the establishment.

If she wins, do not expect much in the way of reform. She is the candidate of the status quo. There will be no bold initiatives. There will be continued support for Wall Street (with lip service paid to regulation). There will be continued support for huge military budgets and for interventionist policies.

There will be lots of feel-good rhetoric, ala Bill Clinton.

All that, of course, would be preferable to a Trump presidency.

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Then why did you watch it?

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You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.

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Agree with all of these points. Sanders losing the primary does not equal more supporters for Hillary. Many will not turn out because she does not excite them, and, like it or not, many necessary voters (Democrats, but particularly independents) greatly dislike her…enough to eschew voting or even vote for Trump.

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And many more necessary voters voted against Sanders and voted for HRC. And while disaffected young voters is really unfortunate, it wouldn’t be nearly as bad as the prospect of turning off minority women voters and the catastrophic down ballot consequences that could have.