Discussion: Sanders, Clinton Condemn Trump For Inciting Violence At His Rallies

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The Clinton and Sanders campaigns should issue a joint statement of condemnation of Trump and reiterating support for each other in the general for the good of the country.

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“I hesitate to say this because I really don’t like to disparage public officials, but Donald Trump is a pathological liar,” Sanders told CNN’s Jake Tapper.

Somebody´s got to say it Bernie. Don´t fret.

We were out with a friend of ours who´s a psychology prof, and I said that I thought, with my pop understanding of psych, that Trump was a sociopath. She confirmed that. She said, of course, that professionally speaking, she shouldn´t make remote diagnoses, but in this case, she could easily make an exception, as it was so obvious :wink:

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[quote=“CarlosFiance, post:4, topic:34919”]
We were out with a friend of ours who´s a psychology prof, and I said that I thought, with my pop understanding of psych, that Trump was a sociopath.
[/quote]And a narcissist. We all have our fascist analogies wrong. Trump isn’t the diabolically evil and bigoted Hitler nor the pompous due to insecurity Mussolini. Trump is Göring—a narcissist gangster who loves all the pomp and circumstance dedicated to him. Trump isn’t so much a bigot as much as someone who accepts their help that he solicited with a dog whistle, and lets them do their thing. Add a hundred pounds and 20 points of IQ and tame the orange mane, and nobody would miss the ties.

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Yes – Clear and Present Danger. As the lady said.

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Whether Trump is Goring, Hitler, or Mussolini, the parallels to the circumstances in Wiemar Germany are beginning to get just a little bit scary. We have a charismatic politician with no real ideology besides some sort of leadership principle riding a wave of fear, directing hatred toward a group that makes up a tiny fraction of the population, being opposed by a divided and mutually distrustful left, and being enabled by a supine “responsible” right convinced they can make a deal with this man.

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Just like Carlos’s friend, prominent doctors are willing to overlook the general rule about long-distance diagnosis and say for the record he’s an obvious, unmistakable, textbook example of narcissistic personality disorder. It’s that painfully obvious. I don’t blame Trump’s followers for being angry—if they don’t see this themselves then they’re dumb enough to be fleeced by any two-bit huckster who comes down the road. Must be a hard life.

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Wow—the commenting system still isn’t quite itself, is it?

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Wow—the commenting system still isn’t quite itself, is it?
[/quote]Best it’s been in many days. That says more about how bad it was on Saturday.

Certainly it’s up and running after a fashion, so that’s progress. But it’s twitchy. You have to refresh the page to see the edit button, at least I do, and it caused me to double-post just now.

Secretary Clinton and Senator Sanders condemn Mister Trump for inciting mob violence. Crickets at eleven.

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Check for your post, then cancel it after the error message comes up. Otherwise you re double post. Computer software is a plate of spaghetti.

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Spaghetti boiled for an hour

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This. It’s mind-boggling to me when pundits try to discern his policy positions. He doesn’t have policies in any sense of the word. They’re all either projections of his own personality flaws – “I’m prejudiced against Mexicans, therefore I will expel all Mexicans…” Or they’re variations on his own narcissism. The line he used with the Pope Francis blowup a month ago didn’t get much attention, but I think it defines most everything he does:

“What did the Pope say? I like the Pope, I mean. Was it good or bad? Because if it’s good, I like the Pope. If it’s bad, I don’t like the Pope’. No, it’s true.”

That’s his approach to everything. If David Duke said something good about me, I like him. If it’s bad, I don’t like him. Etc. etc. etc.

People have made serious attempts to determine what he knows not just about policy, which seems to be nothing, but also about almost any topic that a potential President might want to be familiar with, and again he seems to know next to nothing, to have no substantial knowledge, about anything.

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I do. Their “anger” is racist ignorance and illegitimate sense of “loss” of social privileged status they have neither earned or are worthy of.

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Yes—I was kind of being facetious, saying people as dumb as Trump’s followers are probably angry a lot because they’re getting fleeced all the time as the easy marks they are. I don’t think the much-written-about anxiety and anger over perceived threats to their white privilege are legitimate things to be angry about. Nor do I think they should be angry that the ACA wasn’t repealed, that they’re subject to middle-class economic insecurity created by the very people they’ve been voting for all these years, that there are terrorists running around who wouldn’t be there if they hadn’t voted for Bush, I could go on…

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This is the end of the GOP for at least 2 and probably 3 cycles. If they think they can prop up John Kasich in OH (see Romney-bot campaigning with him there), they are beyond desperate. Convention chaos, the lizard-brain base demands independent run, more violence at/around Trump rallies, and historically high turnout from the Dem coalition (since it appears that nothing but a Trump ascendancy would actually get the Dems to turn out and vote).

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“I hesitate to say this because I really don’t like to disparage public officials, but Donald Trump is a pathological liar,” Sanders told CNN’s Jake Tapper.
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Bernie, you must be tired. Trump ain’t no public official…not yet anyway.
So, please go ahead and disparage him, please!!!

He’s a fraud who got his start in the Atlantic City Casino business with help from the mob. Go git 'em Bernie!

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You and I might recognize the racist responses and actions of the vast majority of Trump’s fans, but I’m not so sure they are emotionally mature enough to recognize it themselves. I know two of them; critical thinking and empathy are not their strongest attributes. I am sincere in what I say here. One of them is twenty-seven years old and the other is in her seventies. Technically they are not related to me, but by the miracle of childbirth they are related to two of my own relatives. I only see them at Christmastime and perhaps sometime in the summer if they are around when I visit my mother. Believe me, it takes a lot of energy to hold back my true feelings. My sister, her husband, my mom and I all have a pact to try our best to avoid certain subjects when these two people are around us. In years past, I’ve wasted good holiday time discussing politics and anything Obama with these two. I learned my lesson. They’re both what I call YBIs – Your Basic Idiots.