That’s such a brilliant point! HRC is repeatedly slammed as dishonest and insufficiently liberal because she refuses to just tell people what they want to hear. Somehow that means she lacks vision. That’s what it’s come to, lying to people makes you an authentic visionary.
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It’s precisely comments like these and the one he made about “You are progressive or you are not” that truly made me lose a lot of respect for Bernie. I’d vote for him in a heartbeat if it came down to it in November but otherwise he has become a huge disappointment with insulting comments like these. And the second one I take personally as do the vast majority of people in the nation who have a combination of views on differing issues. I also find it interesting how the media avoids making these sort of Bernie comments issues whereas they ask Hillary “honesty” questions which they never ask Bernie.
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Me three.
Nah, not as long as he walks it back or at least abandons this line of argument. It’s not fatal, just offensive and counter-productive for both Clinton and him.
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This will backfire on Sanders in many ways.
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It impugns Obama, whom African Americans revere more than Bernie suspects, IN MANY WAYS BECAUSE AFRICAN AMERICANS UNDERSTAND THE SOURCE, NATURE AND DEPTH OF THE VITRIOL AGAINST HIM BY WHITE RACISTS
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It suggests that African Americans’ reasoning ability is susceptible to “pandering”
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It negates the fact that Hillary Clinton served Obama as Secretary of State, arguably the most important cabinet post. John Kerry left a secure Senate seat to serve as SOS
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It sounds mean-spirited
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Finally it stinks of non-cooperation and the kind of fratricidal purity tests which have always ALWAYS been the bane of Democratic politics for the last 50 years.
The good news is that Hillary has a chance to take advantage of this lapse. I would suggest that she keep ghouls like Brock away from a microphone, keep working with African Americans, tell Bill to take a chill-pill.
POST SCRIPT: If this man gets pissed off enough to go Third Party and/or some of his followers convince him to do so…get ready for a GOP President
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The trouble with that is an intransigent Congress that won’t let any Democrat make concrete, tangible promises. They’ll have to govern as Obama has governed, looking for openings and exploiting them when they occur. And so the sales pitch has to be more aspiration than promise. The veto and Supreme Court nominations may be the only promises a candidate can make, but I don’t think that is enough to get the turnout required. Obama had to sell hope & change, and got accused of promising unicorns, and that was with a friendly Congress.
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Well, to be fair, everyone’s is. I think what you meant was more that it suggests that AAs are simply Obama’s unthinking race-sheep who do not vote on the issues, which is a line directly out of the Teatroll talking point booklet.
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I’ve had Sanders supporters tell me that he’ll be able to get things done because he’ll be able to get people to pressure on Congress to vote for his programs by protesting in the streets, writing op-eds, flooding their phone lines, etc. Plus, he’s going to rally people to the polls to elect a Democratic Congress, “and even if he doesn’t, he’ll create so much public pressure on Congress, they will have to act!”
These people are seriously delusional. It’s like Republicans don’t actually exist in their world, only traitorious Democrats.
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That’s EXACTLY what I meant.
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That’s not a sentiment. That’s just an observation: inspiration is what most people look for. Most people aren’t interested in holding job interviews day-in, day-out. They aren’t going to read the news, they aren’t going to think critically about the news, they aren’t going to vote if they’ve got nothing visceral to anchor them to the political sphere. It might be an issue or a champion or a despised enemy (Obama, recently); people need to be engaged. We need more than half the country voting. We need that, and we need it before we start making real progress.
The best person for the job might not be the best person to compete for it. That was the argument against Sanders before he began to really loom, and now we’re recanting it. I don’t know if Sanders could ever win the primaries, let alone the generals–and certainly not if he says shit like this–but we need an even bigger turnout in 2018 or it’s moot.
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Me, too, also from another old white broad. That was a stupid, ill-considered remark, and frankly, sounds more than little GOTPish.
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“Eau d’Obama. The new scent from Calvin Klein that will drive your Teabagger neighbors out of their motherfucking gourds!”
Now THAT’S an animated billboard I’d like to see erected in Times Square!
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Too often he looks like that proverbial angry old man yelling “Get off my lawn!!!”
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(and to @BeattyCat) Actually, she never did distance herself from him, except in the media’s storyline. She did interviews in which she made one or two statements, in answers to specific questions, where she noted narrow differences (eg, Syria), and even then was quick to say she couldn’t swear she was right and he was wrong; but the summary articles, and especially the headlines, and most especially the points pulled out and yammered about ad nauseum on the teevee, made the most of her “distancing.” Just for the record. As opposed to Sanders’ attempt to paint his push for a primary challenge to Obama and endorsement of a book bemoaning the author’s Buyer’s Remorse about Obama as “disagreeing on some issues”…
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That’s what I thought. This remark sounds so trumpish…
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And the 3am phone call. Until we change congress, it’s what we got.
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Whichever of them wins, however we feel about them, we ALL need to turn out and vote for them in November. I’d love a Clinton/Sanders ticket, myself.
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Bill Clinton was for many voters the first “black” president. Hillary follows that path. I think black voters would be better off with Sanders but that’s not for me to decide.
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Thank you, arrrrrj. Makes sense, what you’re saying.
I had that sentiment a while back – called for a federation – a unity ticket with a progressive platform. Not sure it would work temperamentally between the two of them. However, if Clinton were the nominee, if she picked a respected progressive VP – Warren perhaps, then that would be helpful.