Not that I give the slightest damn about Kristol. But why is the RNC telling a private citizen what to publish?
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Internecine warfare many times can be characterized as “delicious.”
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I feel like the symbol of the GOP should change from an elephant to Ouroboros, the snake that eats its own tail for all eternity. Or they could co-opt the Don’t Tread On Me snake and make a minor adjustment.
Look the point is I am loving watching them eat their own. This is beautiful. Reap what you sow.
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Most important thing about a third-party candidate: funds would not be funneled through the RNC. No representation without taxation!
Ya beat me to it, but the linkage was so very obvious. Kristol is a world champion when it comes to coming up with ideas that have turned the GOP into a disaster. Let’s invade Iraq, let’s nominate Sarah Palin, we should have troops on the ground in Syria.
And to think this guy is considered an “intellect.” You could dump him in a room with Ryan, Rand Paul, and Mitch McConnell, stir with Louie Gohmert and Steve King, add a dash of Daryl Issa and Trey Gowdy and you would still be
six bunnies short of an Easter Basket.
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Not that I give the slightest damn about Kristol. But why would the RNC tell a private citizen what to publish?
Actually, that’s NOT the way they intended it. George Washington was against the very concept of “Political Parties” as he knew from experience that they lead to “working for the party” as opposed to “working for the people”.
They were very against the concentration of power in the hands of the few (two-party system) and demanded “representation of the people” but you can’t force people to participate and vote, so we devolved from a Representative Democracy into a Representative Republic, into a duopoly that now exists only to protect it’s own interests.
Our experience here in Minnesota when we elected Jesse Ventrua as an Independent Gov. was very illuminating to me. BOTH parties joined hands and coordinated efforts to thwart him from the start, (very reminiscent of the what the Republicans have been doing to Obama.)
They were only interested in protecting THEIR cut of the pie, not working for the needs of the people. Now, to be fair, Jesse was a terribly flawed Gov. and way out of his depth at even the State level, but the viciousness that both parties showed him left scars that led directly to Tim Pawlenty (Republican Whip under Ventura) getting elected Gov. (a disaster for the State that we are still climbing out of. Now Pawlenty is a chief lobbyist for the Banking Industry.)
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you think they would have learned from all the other CLUSTER PHUCKs they have been involved in… but noooooooo …clusterphucks are like lays potato chips they cant have just one…or two or three etc etc
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MARVELOUS comment. Many thanks!
Oh, gosh – thank you for reminding me of that! You are right – I’d forgotten about how George Washington felt about political parties. I am totally wrong on that point. Thank you! And, btw, yeah, I remember some of the ways the establishment worked against candidate Hogan. Ugly, shameful. Again, thank you.
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Wow…not sure how I feel about that…but I do think Sanders is the one politician right now who can appeal to a large number of people supporting Trump. I like your out of the box thinking, though Sanders and BK together, even for 5 minutes, is disturbing. I can only imagine it if Killer Mike was also there. LOL. I’d like to hear BK say “Killer Mike”.
I don’t really get why anyone listens to Kristol anymore…he’s sort of in my box where I keep Karl Rove (I know you were wondering where he’s been…) though he never had the vision that Rove did. Kristol is sort of the embodiment of the mediocrity that I see seeping from nepotism. I love watching his desperacy (yes, I know that that isn’t a real word but it is an appropriate word) and I wonder if more of it isn’t about trying to make himself relevant? I don’t think he gives a rat’s a** about the country. Just himself and his little tribe.
And on Hillary, I think she has many more devil deals than just feminists and Wall Street…let’s not forget the military industrial complex and Saudi Arabia and other ClintonFoundation donors.
I think Sanders would not be as “extreme” as many fear or would like us to fear. I think he is a pragmatist and I think he would play well w/ others. He seems to have had more of a grasp of what is ailing a large percentage of Americans than any mainstream politician or pundit…being outside of the bubble gives you that benefit sometimes. But Sanders is not going to be someone that any of the establishment, Dem or Rep, will embrace…he threatens their power too much.
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Wow…not sure how I feel about that…but I do think Sanders is the one politician right now who can appeal to a large number of people supporting Trump. I like your out of the box thinking, though Sanders and BK together, even for 5 minutes, is disturbing. I can only imagine it if Killer Mike was also there. LOL. I’d like to hear BK say “Killer Mike”.
I don’t really get why anyone listens to Kristol anymore…he’s sort of in my box where I keep Karl Rove (I know you were wondering where he’s been…) though he never had the vision that Rove did. Kristol is sort of the embodiment of the mediocrity that I see seeping from nepotism. I love watching his desperacy (yes, I know that that isn’t a real word but it is an appropriate word) and I wonder if more of it isn’t about trying to make himself relevant? I don’t think he gives a rat’s a** about the country. Just himself and his little tribe.
And on Hillary, I think she has many more devil deals than just feminists and Wall Street…let’s not forget the military industrial complex and Saudi Arabia and other ClintonFoundation donors.
I think Sanders would not be as “extreme” as many fear or would like us to fear. I think he is a pragmatist and I think he would play well w/ others. He seems to have had more of a grasp of what is ailing a large percentage of Americans than any mainstream politician or pundit…being outside of the bubble gives you that benefit sometimes. But Sanders is not going to be someone that any of the establishment, Dem or Rep, will embrace…he threatens their power too much.
The treasonous Republican Party is nothing if not consistent:
The RNC members all wear the party tattoo on their big fat derriere:
PARTY over Country!
If Hitler was running as the Republican for the White House the RNC would demand blind eyed support for him Vs any evil Democrat.
Remember Americans…Party over Country is how Germany was swallowed up by the 3rd Reich’s rise to nationalist authoritarian power. Remember, party over country is how the Communists took Russia. Remember, party over country is how Mussolini took control of Italy.
The RNC may not like Drumpfs words…but they love his policies. The real RNC is being exposed by Donnie the pink pig.
And yet consider: He taught at Harvard & Penn, he has written for the NY Times.
What does this say about the Northeastern ‘intelligentsia’? Clearly not a meritocracy.
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If Kristol is behind the effort to get enough delegates behind Cruz to deny Drumpf the nomination and having an independent candidate as a plan B if that doesn’t work… then it is doomed to failure.
IIRC this guy is the clown who first floated the idea of Palin to the McCain camp.
Enough said.
"RNC officials were quick to try to to quash this discussion. Committee spokesman Sean Spicer told Breitbart News on Sunday that “any effort to facilitate a third party ultimately is helping to elect Hillary Clinton.”
“The Republican Party must be united to take back the White House,” Spicer said."
Yeah…
Unite behind a man (in order to give him the White House and the Nuclear Codes) who the Economist rates as the sixth greatest world Security Threat.
I understand that organizations have imperatives which force people to do murderous things. The Republican Party especially exhibits this “organization makes the man do insane things” directive.
Max Weber knew well that kind of “rational” (in a Sociological Theoretical sense) behaviour. And Spicer makes as much sense as a fossil fuel lobbyist living in an underwater house in Florida scheduled to appear on a FOX Chris Wallace interview to argue passionately for increased reliance on fossil fuels.
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Look, another “pox on both their houses” troll.
Must be Monday.
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I have to admit, the best part of this whole disaster is watching that obsequious weasel Rance Preibus squirm as the conservative intelligencia, start going off script. Preibus has been so dedicated to winning at all costs, for so long, he can’t even get his head around what’s happening.
They’re going to split the party, not start a third party
A third party would not work for the anti-Trump Rs. It’s already too late to get a new party on the ballot in all states. And even if they succeeded in getting an anti-Trump R on the ballot (say, on the Libertarian ballot line), that would just split the R vote.
What they can and will do, if they’re serious, is dispute Trump for control of the R ballot line. If it appears that they can’t win against Trump at the convention, they just have to gin up a controversy (over seating challenges, over rulings from the chair, whatever) that ends in one faction or the other walking out of the convention and holding a splinter convention. At that point we will have two conventions each claiming that it is the true R convention that nominated the true R candidate for 2016. The two parties then go to court to contest control of the R ballot line.
Whatever the result in the courts, this works for the anti-Trump faction. Most likely, the two factions each win the R ballot line in some states, but lose it in others. They never have to run against each other, only against the D. If these two factions then win enough EC votes to deny the D a majority, the R House picks the anti-Trump R as the next president.
But if that fails, or even if it succeeds but the R House doesn’t like the anti-Trump R (most likely Cruz), they also get to claim that enough EC tallies are indeterminate that they get to never decide, and the Speaker becomes president when Obama’s term is up. They get to hide behind indeterminacy because the suits over which faction controls the R ballot line will create a legal chaos. There is widely variant state electoral law on that question, and different state courts will arrive at different conclusions even where state laws might be similar. Because SCOTUS is split 4-4, there will be no unitary solution imposed on lower courts from on high. Many state legislatures will try to send in tallies of their state’s EC votes if they don’t like the court-produced results (as the FL legislature threatened in 2000), further confusing the picture. More than one tally from a state means Congress has to decide which is the valid tally, but even for states where there is only one tally, a single Congressman or Senator can challenge the tally and force consideration of validity. If the courts haven’t been able to reach consensus on the issue, then of course the Congress has cover to claim that it can’t either.
Billy Kristol is a joke. An opportunist and paid political hack.
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