Yep. And Franken would have taken his hand elsewhere and apologized.
Unwanted contact. I hug people all the time. Is that unwanted contact, jullia?
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Oh come on. Heâs making a âarenât I a cute naughty boyâ face in that photo. He knows touching women without their consent is not right. That was the basis of the joke!
He was supposedly a feminist legislator, too, good on womenâs issues. If he couldnât figure out as a participant in that milieu that women are not thrilled about being randomly patted on the ass, he should have listened harder.
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He was at the MN State Fair for a few hours and his hand went to her butt for the picture. OMG. She never said anything to him at the time. She waited llater l she got good and incensed.
Sorry, julia. Were supposed to feel sorry for her?
Nah.
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If they donât want you to hug them, yeah. Iâm willing to bet a number of people were reluctant, but did it anyway because you expected it.
Thatâs the equivalent of me gritting my teeth and smiling and pretending I didnât mind when guys decided I needed a nice fumbledy bumble.
Just because we were socialized to reluctantly accept it before this era doesnât mean weâre going to put up with it anymore NOW.
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Iâm leaving now to make dinner.
But no, weâre not supposed to âfeel sorry for her.â Weâre supposed to join her in realizing and then saying to the world that it wasnât right.
Good night.
Iâm sorry that you have had that experience. But you canât condemn every man for what happened to you.
You need to wear a sign that says âPlease donât touch me.â
Then everyone will get it.
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I take it to mean that he simply doesnât want to be the Senator Frisk v. Schiavo Family of Frankenâs guilt or innocence. If you are asking someone who doesnât know the validity of the evidence what he thinks about the situation, the response is just as valid as asking a Senator MD to diagnose a patientâs viability having never examined said patient, from hundreds of miles away no less. Painter is not any more well informed than your average person on the street, and he isnât committing to render an opinion about something that no one has investigated. I can respect that.
Until Painterâs unstand on this issue is fully investigated âŚ
I canât form an opinion on whether or not I should have an opinion â
OH MY GOD. Iâm sorry but the âNew Standard for Convictionâ canât be an Accusation in the Public Square or we are actually doing the witch burnings of olde. Richard Painter was not dodging ANYTHING and now the dailycaller has ammunition. Is Kornacki working for the RNC now? And FFS where does Franken go to get his reputation back? I am for the #metoo movement, but one thing people have to know, if we donât topple itâs worst offender, Donald Trump, none of this fight will have amounted to a blip on the radar as we all travel back to 1855âŚPERMANENTLY. (p.s. I donât believe Frankenâs accusers. A goof off photo of Franken mugging for the camera while his hands are 2 feet away from a personâs plate-carrier vest is evidence ofâŚcomedy) 
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Why is his job about making decisions about an accusation? Thatâs making a conclusion about hearsay. Sounds like Painter was fighting off Kornacki who was trying to force him to say some BS and I back Painter on that one.
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Not hardly. He said then and heâs saying now that the matter should be investigated.
Tweeden wildly overstated her case and Stone was lurking in the background. I for one would like to know.
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In the context of a raunchy tour where Leann was doing actual assgrabbing on stage I can see why Franken didnât think that she would have the least objection to his joke photo.
But when he was forced to think about it he got it: she had no choice in the matter and participating or not in that photo should have been her choice no matter whether she had engaged in raunchy humor in other settings.
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Strangely, I think heâd be a more reliable vote against Trump nominees(executive and judicial) than some Democratic officeholders have been.
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Any time you hear of Mrs. Reid groping guys let us know.
You mean the joke where she was actually awake while the photo was taken and he wasnât touching her?
OMG, comedy is disrespectful!?! Has anyone told Monty Python?
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Yes, he did. But that joke is the only thing that was never in question. So if youâre going to get on the high horse of âcultural norms no longer permit thisâ then you also have to acknowledge that part of the cultural norm shifting is the comedian saying âyeah, I look back and say âwow, what the hell?ââ
Part and parcel of saying âno moreâ is that when someone responds with âyouâre right, and Iâm horribly embarrassed by what I did thenâ, about an incident where there was no violation, it was just in poor taste⌠you accept their apology. You accept that they have changed.
As for the 6-7 other women who talked to his colleagues⌠isnât that the part where due process, not a lynch mob, is supposed to come in? Or are we back to âthem six girls told me she was a witch, so letâs burn herâ?
When all of this went down, I didnât like it, but I accepted Alâs decision to get the story out of the headlines. Iâd also have accepted (and preferred) him deciding to go through the full investigatory process, too.
So yes, when determining how severe the punishment for a crime must be, first you have to determine if a crime was actually committed. A photo in poor taste, where everyone is consenting adults, is not a crime.
And for that, thereâs due fucking process.
And just for the record: if thereâs a concept out there that is so fucking fragile and weak that mere disrespect is verboten, thatâs a concept that needs to be stomped out, hard, because itâs never gonna last. The right to bodily autonomy, the need for consent⌠these are things that do not need to be sheltered like hothouse flowers. These are not things we must protect from all levity so viciously that we refuse to tolerate free and open expression.
Wrap it in whatever good intentions and moral outrage you like, but your right to not be offended ends the moment it threatens to silence anyone, even the most reprehensible of scum⌠which this man was most certainly not.
You want free speech? Letâs see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, whoâs standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.
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o/t
Agree about the headline, but it seems like the article says exactly that. Kornacki doesnât come off looking good here (even just from reading this account).
Cocaine Mitch ?
wow, Iâm impressed, didnât think Mitch had that in himâŚhe should try a little weed alsoâŚ
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Speculation on the ground after Tina Smoth wa appointed was that DSCC involvement was leading her to be too cautious.