âItâs not my job to run around saying who I believe with respect to the accusations made against Al Franken,â he continued. âThis election is not about Al Franken. If you want to turn it into that, or Donald Trump does, thatâs exactly what the far right wants to do in this country.â
We already know what Far Right women want.
<img src="/uploads/default/original/3X/6/2/62216d662a123ae1d783e5b2214e9b9fb3b46b95.png" width="375" height="500">Heâs running for the Senate?
He sounds like a better fit for the Waffle House.
Itâs amazing how many people want a job where itâs all about making decisions, and run for it by making as few as possible.
I listened to the Painter interview a few moments ago on MSNBC via Tune-in⌠I really donât think that this headline does justice to the conversation I heard.
From my point of view, Painterâs argument was that he could not agree that it was right to 'convict âem first and examine the facts laterâ. And Steve Kornacki was relentless as he tried to get Painter to change his mind but Painter was just as firm in his belief that there should have been a âprocessâ that actually examined the facts before judgement was passed and the sentence executed.
I completely agree with Painterâs message.
Who cares what this guy thinks? Heâs not a Democrat, heâs a Republican running as a Democrat because heâs at least smart enough to know that the GOP name is shit in the next couple elections. Itâs nice that he left the Republican party, but heâs neither a good fit for the Democratic party nor a someone anyone should be giving free publicity to, unless you want to point out the numerous ethics violations that occurred under him during the Bush administration.
I know that Frankenâs name will come up because this is an election to fill his seat, but a more interesting and pertinent line of questioning would have probed Painterâs recent move to the Democratic Party. Not that I live in MN, but I was somewhat curious about Painterâs positions on anything outside of the corruption/ethics issues.
Those are the instructions that candidates get from the DNC, DCCC and the DSCC. If you donât make any specific promises you have the ability to hedge if you get accused of breaking promises. You also donât piss off any Big Money Donors, because you canât feed the DC Consultancy Beast if youâre not raking in cash from Big Money DonorsâŚ
I heard the interview as well. Painter was questioning the process that seemed to force Franken to resign - and then Kornacki went a bit off the rails trying to force Painter to say he doesnât believe women who make accusations. That wasnât what Painter was saying - so I agree with you that this TPM headline is misleading. I remain skeptical, however, about Painterâs move to change parties and run in MN.
Like most of his 'constituents", Painter thought his previous and current opinions werenât gonna bite him in the ass.
I heard that itâs good for âimprovingâ eyesight
The only appropriate answer on the Dem side apparently, is that any man should lose his job on accusation alone. Joy Reid gets a second chance, not you white man.
For the love of Mike. It wasnât just the actual groping allegations, it was first and foremost the documented JOKE he made about groping an unconscious woman. He thought the idea was funny.
That âboys will be boysâ humor was what was at issue, not some stupid squabble about whether he âreallyâ touched her or not.
Everyone is missing the point. We had to take a stand on this. Touching/grabbing other people without permission (whether itâs because youâre assuming they couldnât possibly mind your âfriendly gestureâ or to assert dominance or as some attempt to initiate romance!?) is no longer going to be tolerated. So making light of the idea of groping constitutes DISRESPECT for the right of bodily autonomy and DISMISSAL of the concept of consent.
Poor dear doesnât realize what the real Donald Trump would say about her. He isnât kind to women that donât look like modelsâŚ
Whereâs your proof?
Itâs interesting that none of the women who accused Al Franken actually worked for him and only one of them worked with him briefly during a USO tour. The accusations against Franken were less about âme tooâ and more just cases of random groping in public-- without any proof or witnesses even though they occurred in public and while a photograph was taken.
Iâm getting a little tired of this. The #metoo movement is NOT about âbelieving the womenâ when they level an accusation. Itâs about LISTENING to them and doing a credible investigation. The REASON women were mad when Gillibrand did her end run around the process was because she decided SHE was judge, jury and executioner. At no point did Franken get to say squat. The accusation was enough. There are MANY of us who have been in the work force for decades that have seen intimidation and harassment as well as liars. Sorry, but itâs true. Although I wish Painter would be a little more forthcoming I think (some) of Kornackiâs questions are meant to be âgotchaâ moments.
Men lose their jobs on accusation. Itâs the only acceptable thing for him to say if he wants to be a Dem.
Sounds like he did make a decision/take a position and the interviewer just wouldnât accept it:
âaccusations of impropriety against sitting lawmakers should be met with investigations, rather than resignations.â
That right there is a 100% true statement. He took that position. The interviewer bludgeoning him with âbut donât you just have to believe it because X number of people say so?â is nothing but fucking nonsense and an invitation for strategic accusation pig piles. I wonât have it. ACCUSATIONS ARE NOT CONVICTIONS. PERIOD.
PS: this changes nothing about my position that he should not be trusted and that no liberal/progressive should vote for him. He just happened to be right about this.