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Sen. Mike Rounds (R-SD) told TPM that “slowing one’s ability to get on an aircraft is different than taking away someone’s specific constitutional right to bare arms.”
I agree, the latter is clearly an outrageous intrusion into the realm of personal fashion choices.
Seriously though, for Republicans to suddenly become concerned about the rights of potential terrorists in this debate, as opposed to say Guantanamo, or Syrian refugees, or a host of other contexts, just shows that they’re a bunch of pussies!, that don’t give a shit about protecting us from – oh, sorry, wrong forum.
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For the right, a double standard is standard.
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So he’s terrified that his White Christian Extremist Pals on the Terror watch list might not be able to purchase guns for their next assault on Planned Parenthood or Jewish centers?
And his suggestion that the federal government be "compelled … to file some evidence as to why the
individual should not be able to buy a gun in a court hearing " thereby tipping the guy off as to how the evidence was gathered–I am sure that he would have to be provided with this material in court, no?
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Maybe someone should point out the hypocrisy…
So a list with mistakes should not be used to deny people the right to carry a firearm but voter purge lists with mistakes should be used to deny people the right to vote. Huh!?
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“Look at the number of errors on the no fly list,” said Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC). “One estimate was that there were up to 50 percent errors.”
In that case, perhaps we should not only ensure that people on the No-Fly list can buy guns but we should also ensure that the people on the list can fly.
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Sen. Mike Rounds (R-SD) told TPM that “slowing one’s ability to get on
an aircraft is different than taking away someone’s specific
constitutional right to bare arms.”
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Well then I feel SO MUCH better that this debate is about short sleeves or long sleeves rather than some brutal blood drunk heathen coming to my home to rape my wife and shoot me dead.
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Senate Republicans blocked a proposal last week that would have closed
the terrorist watch list loophole. Some who were asked about their vote
didn’t want to answer questions about it.
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I must assume then that Republicans in our government are members of ISIS since they WILL NOT act to prevent these demented deranged blood drunk people from acquiring the ability to mass slaughter Americans in our country. I cringe at saying that but it is the apparent truth of the matter.
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Sen. Mike Rounds (R-SD) told TPM that “slowing one’s ability to get on an aircraft is different than taking away someone’s specific constitutional right to bare arms.”
Please fix this, It makes us look stoopid.
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Mike, I have a feeling it is an accurate quotation of Sen. Rounds. At least that is what I prefer to think. I mean, look at the rest of the quote. This guy is more concerned about people’s ability to get on a plane unimpeded as opposed to acquiring lethal weapons
A senator named Rounds defending ammosexuals. No irony there.
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TPM:
“Look at the number of errors on the no fly list,” said Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC). “One estimate was that there were up to 50 percent errors.”
… Under the Bush administration in the wake of 9/11, many of the critiques of the list came from Democrats and groups like the ACLU. At one point, Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) was put on the list, further highlighting its issues.
Right, because Cheney, Rove, the Bush Administration, and the GOP in general have used the No-Fly list in the same way that Nixon used IRS audits - as punishment for criticism and disagreement.
If Republicans are suddenly so concerned about names on the No-Fly list (and the Enhanced Screening list) that don’t belong there, then the first thing they should do is remove all of the politically motivated additions they placed on it over the past 14 years.
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I’m still having trouble with this “right to bear arms” bull shit. As I read the 2nd A such a right is attached to “a well regulated militia”. There is nothing there about every knucklehead in the country having a right to own an AR15, or any other weapon of murder.
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" right to bare arms."
Those aren’t the only things “exposed” on these SOB’s — Follow the money …
It will lead to the “naked” truth ! —
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The guns are already out there…
The ability to buy unlimited amounts of ammunition is already out there.
Sorry, but it’s too late to worry about weaponry in the wrong hands. It’s already out there.
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“Look at the number of errors on the no fly list,” said Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC). “One estimate was that there were up to 50 percent errors.”
Then clean up the damn list and prohibit those remaining on it from being able to legally purchasing guns. Stop acting as though this is a problem we must continue to live with for dogs sake.
Simple enough for you?
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On DAY ONE, after being sworn in but before going to all of the Inaugural Balls, Hillary is going to take their guns away and give them one way tickets to Kabul where they can live out their dreams as terrorist getters.
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It appears the GOP doesn’t actually want to reduce the likelihood of future San Bernadino type terrorist attacks, at least not while the issue is still useful for bashing Obama and maybe drumming up a dandy little war.
If the problem is the watch list and smaller no-fly lists are unreliable, then why aren’t they calling to clean, cull and fine-tune the watch list? If Democrats seriously propose that then they can paint the GOP into a corner on the issue. In fact there are sound reasons to clean up those lists as a civil liberties matter absent the current “crisis”. After this false bluster they’d be hard-pressed to say, “Oh no, the lists are fine just as they are”.
Cornyn is a hoot. …Cornyn said. “If the president believes that people on no-fly lists are a threat to the public, then how come his Department of Justice doesn’t indict them, try them and convict them and put them behind bars. That’s the president’s responsibility.”
Being a Senator and all, you’d think he’d know by now that we indict people for committing crimes, not for thinking or talking about them, having weird friends, or whatever else might result in a name being on the lists (a low-level Regent University Bushie thinking it’d be a funny hoo-ha to put Ted Kennedy’s name on it, for instance).
It’s a rhetorical question, but is every Republican as stupid as Cornyn?
This isn’t a popular idea in police/intelligence circles, but if someone is on the lists send an agent or two to their house, knock on the door and ask them, only them, whassup? Set up a simple process for individuals to appeal what may be a wrong listing. There’s this inordinate fear of “tipping off” a suspect or cutting off a lead to a larger plot, more and bigger fish, etc. It may be counterintuitive, but putting potential actors on notice seems more likely to head off actions (and possibly create “Alright, who talked?” divisiveness and suspicion within any potential networks). We’re trying to stop acts of terror, not rack up convictions.
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Soooooo…according to Teatrolls…
“Suspected terrorists”…and by that they mean anyone who is Muslim…should not even be allowed to enter the country under any circumstances…
BUT
“Suspected terrorists”…and by that the no-fly list means specific individuals who we have specific information and evidence upon which we suspect them of terrorist activity or connections…should be able to freely purchase guns within the country.
FUCKING. RETARDED.
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And appropriate whatever funds necessary to thoroughly investigate those on the list and clean it up!
Fucking republicans…complain like little whiny bitches about all sorts of problems while having a majority in both houses and all the means necessary to fix 'em. But nooooooooo, it’s better to piss and moan in front of cameras, point fingers and blame the liberal democrat party!
Just wait until some jackhole on the no-fly list takes out a daycare center, synagogue, PP facility, etc. with weapons purchased legally. You will be able to surf on the wave of backpedaling from the 2nd Amendment-fellating pendejos in Congress.
All this faux “patriotism” makes me wanna faux up.
LD
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