Discussion: Republicans Learn The Hard Way: You Break Obamacare, You Own It

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61% yea, 27% nay.

Funny how that 27% number constantly bubbles to the surface.

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@teenlaqueefa Funny how that 27% number constantly bubbles to the surface.

Yeah. That happens in my septic tank too.

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Actually, it became Trumpcare a long time ago.

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Right. ā€œObamacareā€ no longer exists after what Trump and the Republicans have already done to break it apart. I really think the media, including TPM, should stop referring to the current health care insurance system as ā€œObamacare.ā€ That was a term invented by Republicans to help demonize the Affordable Care Act. Now, they use the term to try to blame Democrats for premium increases and insurers leaving markets as a result of steps they themselves have taken.

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Itā€™s not your imagination, they really are who you thought they were all along. A bunch of clueless bumbling idiots propped up by racism, racist billionaires and hypocrite christians.

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It just occurred to me, that I havenā€™t heard any mention of whether the Republican tax ā€˜reformā€™ proposals are eliminating the deduction for medical expenses.
(Which insurance premiums are considered to be.)

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Hard to believe: Some consumers find free health insurance

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The president stopped reimbursing insurers for reduced copays and deductibles, available to people with modest incomes purchasing a ā€œsilverā€ ACA plan. Sure enough, that has boosted premiums for silver plans. But government subsidies also shot up, because theyā€™re pegged to the cost of silver plans.

The bigger available subsidies mean that cheaper ā€œbronzeā€ plans can increasingly be had for no monthly premium, after consumers subtract their subsidy from the list price.

Itā€™s like pushing down on one end of a see-saw, and the other end goes up.

In some cases, ā€œgoldā€ plans offering enhanced protection against the costs of illness are also available for free to people whose incomes qualify them for financial assistance.

Dillon Vatick said he couldnā€™t believe it as he shopped online recently for next yearā€™s health plan. Vatick is a computer science student who lives in Jacksonville, Florida. He qualified for a monthly subsidy of about $280 and he found a bronze plan with a premium of less than $270.

ā€œMy health care is technically free,ā€ said Vatick.

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This compounded by the fact they really donā€™t give a fuck about anyone but the donor class.
They donā€™t give a fuck
Witness the ultimatums recently issued .
Give us tax cut or weā€™re cutting off your funds.
Anyone under the mistaken impression that this is a democracy ainā€™t paying attention

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That ā€œgoing forwardā€ is misleading because there were similar results last month indicting the the majority of people believe the Republicans are responsible for the destruction of the ACA.

Itā€™s not that they will be blamed for the ACA failing IF they include the the individual mandate repeal in the Tax Bill. People have already starting blaming the Republicans and (hopefully) Trump for the ACA failing for months, probably from this summer when everything heated up with all the Senate Votes/Bills

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While Republicans in Congress and the White House have done many things to destroy the Affordable Care Act (ACA), repealing the individual mandate will be the straw that means it officially becomes Trumpcare. The individual mandate is a significant, important pillar of the ACA, making the average healthcare insurance premium more affordable. Without it, the ā€œAffordableā€ comes out of the ACA, resulting in Trumpcare.

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Time to EAT what you COOK.

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I guess Iā€™d respectfully request that Democrats start promoting the positive, affirmative steps theyā€™re going to take to fix Rumpcare. That should be the first thing people read about Democrats. Elaborating on why a turd :poop: like Roy Moore makes the rest of the septic tank go, ā€œdamn,ā€ should be secondary.

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While Iā€™m not in favor of repealing the individual mandate, Iā€™m not convinced that it will have much of a negative effect. As long as the subsidies remain in place, people can buy insurance for little or no out of pocket costs. There may be some fools who would rather go without than have health insurance that costs $50/month or even $0, but the large majority even of healthy young people realize that having health insurance is a good thing and if they can get it for minimal out-of pocket costs will be happy to have it,

By the way this means that the ā€œsavingsā€ the Senate GOP claims to realize by repealing the mandate are largely phony, like their entire plan and therefore that it fails the criteria for reconciliation.

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ā€œRarely is the question asked: Is our Republicanā€™ts learning?ā€ - George W. Bush

Actually, that question is asked all the timeā€¦

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I for one did not buy insurance through the market place this year. My insurance company bailed on the exchange, the company that I was assigned raised my monthly premium from $614 to $1017, and so my friend who is an insurance broker cobbled together 3 different plans so I can have catastrophic coverage. I donā€™t qualify for a subside. When the PPACA started I had a gold plan for $440, that $614 plan Iā€™m on now that is ending is a bronze plan.
And yes the Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot and costing the government more $$$.

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Iā€™m glad you found something.
Iā€™m sorry the rat bastards forced you to find something.
I hope we are smart enough to elect a Congress capable making some progress in 2018.

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SNL did a sketch recently about Democrats! Weā€™re back! You love :heart: us again! Deadpanned with such obvious, sarcastic lack of enthusiasm as to have me damn near blowing raspberry at the tv.

I guess Iā€™d summarize what I want from Democrats, is to take away the element of truth that makes that sketch funny. I think one way to do that is with a positive agenda, which is persistently not driving the narrative for whatever reason.

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As Maya Angelou saidā€”when people show you who they are, believe them the first time.

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I kid you not:

Another way to evaluate the tank is if more than 25 percent of the liquid depth of the tank is being used to store sludge and scum, that tank needs to be cleaned.

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