Discussion: Republicans Fret About Campaign Fallout From Trump's Mounting Legal Woes

Pfft. Who cares if they are fretting. Republicans did oppo research on him during the primaries. They knew what they were getting because they had a shitload of bad deeds and con man crappola. Jaysus, he had a lawsuit against him during the campaign -how quick they all forget Trump University.

Republicans chose to ignore all of it and continue to do so.

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I’ll stick with what I’ve been saying since September of 2016, namely, it (still) looks to me as if Russia has kompromat on the entire GOP.

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“There’ll be a tremendous amount of press coverage on this situation, for obvious reasons, and there’s not as much coverage on the tax plan or the implications of it or our economy,” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) said.

That’s your Sophie’s Choice, Marco. You can deal with the press coverage of your Criminal-in-Chief or you can run on the implications of your tax plan that just 37% of registered voters said they supported. And buy some more K-Y for the horse you rode in on.

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Seems to me the DOJ guidelines say the opposite – namely that politics should play no role in whether and when prosecutors take steps to investigate or indict:

@blogamator

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It could be there’s been a lot of money flowing in through the NRA, and key figures knew about and welcomed it. McConnell in particular acted to prevent a proper reaction to the election interference, which was partisan to the point of national betrayal and highly, highly suspect. But widespread kompromat, involving, say, dozens or scores of individuals, seems unlikely to have been kept secret forever. I’ll never say never but that scenario, eh, I don’t know. It’s just hard to keep stuff secret, and it becomes exponentially harder the more people you involve.

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I was listening to a progressive radio host talking about why Democrats are not bringing up impeachment and running on that. Many on our side still don’t seem to grasp that politics is local and that you can’t run anyone on anything - that what’s good in Dallas is good in Oklahoma City. One size does not necessarily fit all.

Yes, trump is amazingly popular in some of the states we need to win and I understand why some Democrats are carefully choosing their words.

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Most actual Democratic politicians seem to understand that impeachment isn’t viable until the votes are there. Not only that, talking ineffectually about it for the emotional satisfaction and posturing points is sure to backfire. Why is Sarah Huckster saying that’s all the Democrats are talking about? To stir up her side. The thing to do is get at least one chamber of Congress, with much luck two, and then start investigating for real. This is not a hard thing to understand, or shouldn’t be.

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Comey’s gaffe affected Hillary in October 2016 and she was in an election in November 2016. Stone, Cohen, Kushner, Ivanka, Trump and others are not running. Bring a gun to a gun fight, not a wet noodle. Unwarranted caution here is why the Democrats lose unnecessarily in my opinion. Let the Republics scream and stomp. This concern you have is approaching concern trolling.

BTW I don’t think impeachment should be a war cry this fall but corruption certainly should.

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Democrats in the red states just cannot say “Trump should be impeached” and win…they can’t appear that partisan, they have to stick to the local issues and then hammer the Republicans on how badly they are doing things (like giving tax breaks to the wealthy and taking away coverage for pre-existing conditions). They can also hammer the Republicans for corruption, but they have to do it in a way that doesn’t say “impeachment”, as soon as they do that they will be called the same as Pelosi (though she’s not calling for impeachment either).

It’s a fine line to walk, and the only way they win…I honestly don’t understand how people can’t understand that and keep complaining, because the Republican that would win if they followed the advice of the complainers won’t do a damn thing for the nation.

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If only these Republicans had some power to separate themselves from Trump. The problem is that they really don’t want to separate themselves from him, or even his policies. They just don’t want to be saddled with his behavior, and his legal baggage. Sorry, it is a package deal.

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Kompromat is easy to keep quiet if no third party is investigating it because both parties involved want that. But here we do have investigations, and as your own comment points out, Russian campaign financing is already being exposed. So…

But that was never what I meant. I mean that party leaders – who distribute finances and control who has party support – appear to have been compromised. My first observation of something that was otherwise difficult to explain is the abrupt 180 that Ryan pulled immediately after Spanky went to visit him in person. I can only explain such a dramatic about-face by Ryan having received a phone call (or similar) the night before with a “friendly” word of advice. My other basis for this conclusion was the similar volte-face the GOP made as a party in 2016 wrt to supporting Ukraine.

What more plausible explanation would you offer, other than dealmaking or kompromat?

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What he said!

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The actual guidelines don’t have a window in them, and are rather broad. However, it is widely stated (see the piece I linked to from Lawfare) that 60 days is the widely applied number, and it is for bringing an indictment.

But note that Manaford’s second trial is set for September 17, and it will not be stopped by the DOJ guidelines. Republicans will have to deal with headlines about Manaford again, likely with another verdict in the first week of October.

Sort of an October surprise.

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Your worried about drumpf? How much money did McConnell get from the Russians and how about the rest of you traitors? Every last one of you traitorous bastards needs to go before a firing squad.

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I’ve already said I have no argument with that. Not sure of it, but it’s entirely possible. The Russkies have been probing everywhere for a long time. But I still think if there were kompromat on lots and lots of Congresscritters, it would leak out even if it weren’t being seriously investigated. Certainly there are individuals whose behavior is flagrantly guilty.

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Right…I’ve been saying all along…if “Grab 'em by the Pussy” wasn’t enough to keep people from voting for him- then what difference does anything else make.

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I read the Lawfare blog article. While I generally do find them a valuable resource, I also note that in this case, the actual DOJ guidelines appear to say the opposite. I already commented to that effect.

“There’ll be a tremendous amount of press coverage on this situation, for obvious reasons, and there’s not as much coverage on the tax plan or the implications of it or our economy,” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) said. “It will be one of the topics that voters will focus on, I would imagine, among many others.”

If you have read anything about the new “tax plan” (not something I have seen on TPM) you will realize immediately that Rubio considers this current state of affairs a positive. If the public were to focus on the new “tax plan” they would realize regular workers are going to be screwed to pay even more money to Rubio’s billionaire donors.

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You still seem to be thinking of this as a series of individual, personalized kompromat efforts on every single Congressional rep. I’m saying that’s not a requirement for the GOP as a group to be at risk. Or am I misunderstanding your point? If I am, will you clarify it for me.

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Pretty much. It’s a tactical maneuver they have to do because they know if they said “Impeach!” it would be turned into clickbait headlines within the hours and would become a circus. This is why Dems don’t get into fights with the GOP because people are so desperate for “balance” they’ll twist themselves into pretzels in order to equate the Dems behavior to that of the GOP’s

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