Ridiculous.
If he were blackâŚrisk of flight bail, 5-10 years, must serve 80%.
This whole debacle is an example of how the media is holding Drump (and anyone associated with him) to a different standard. What I saw on that video was pretty minor, and itâs entirely appropriate to drop the case. The courts are not supposed to be a political tool. Any good lawyer would have this thrown out in seconds.
Why is it that we are using all this minor BS, when there are so many legitimate easy targets? It makes us look bad.
So itâs perfectly legal (and you seem to think, normal) for someone to roughly grab another person and to yank her away from doing her job? What Iâve described is self-evident from the video; Iâm not even getting into her and his gender, her photos of alleged bruises, or her claim that she was nearly yanked to the ground.
Iâve been involved in many media scrums. Iâve never seen a campaign aide yank a reporter like that. In fact, Iâve been alive for 57 years â and Iâve never been grabbed and yanked by another person, since perhaps elementary school. You seem to think this is just the way we ought to be allowed to act toward each other.
To lend credibility to your claim that Trumpâs being held to a different standard, you need to come up with examples â multiple examples â where thereâs video of aides from other campaigns grabbing and manhandling reporters. Show us the links.
âPretty minor?â
Any unwanted contact between adults is actionable, or maybe you were raised differently?
BTW: blaming the media is nonsense.
Any unwanted contact between adults is actionable, but the vast majority of it doesnât see prosecution. Otherwise every argument in a bar and every subway rush hour would see multiple jail sentences.
We all know the guy is a violent assh*le, but heâd have to get in line.
Palm Beach County State Attorney David Aronberg did not comment on Lewandowskiâs case on Wednesday, but told Politico last week that local police in Jupiter, Florida â where the charges were filed â have a lower standard for probable cause in battery cases.
âWe have a higher standard to go forward with a prosecution,â he said last week.
Translation: Trump has more money and better lawyers than we do.
nope
Brietbart: Even Obama wants Trump to become President.
OK nowâŚLOCAL cops have a âlower standardâ for batteryâŚas in, KEEP YOUR FKING HANDS OFF OTHER PEOPLE. The state, however, has a higher standard that says âIf you are a white and protected itâs not REALLY batteryââŚGot it.
that local police in Jupiter, Florida â where the charges were filed â have a lower standard for probable cause in battery cases.
âWe have a higher standard to go forward with a prosecution,â he said last week.
I donât think âprobable causeâ means what you think it means. Probable cause is whether the police have a reason to stop someone. In this case, the assault is on video. Probable cause has nothing to do with it. Itâs just a random legal term he threw out.
And as pointed out above, what he meant to say is âTrumpâs people would lawyer the shit out of this and we donât need the headaches, publicity or costs for a minor grab.â
He grabbed her arm to pull her away from Trump as they were walking along. No injury. Technically a battery, but nothing any prosecutor anywhere would prosecute. Courts have more important cases to consider, including jaywalking.
Too bad for the girl that it was so easy to prove that she is, as the Trump campaign insists, delusional.
âWho was your last employer?â
âBreitbart.â
Credibility irreparably damaged.
Actually, prosecutors go for exactly this all the time, at least here in Texass. She had bruises and a complaint of pain. Thatâs enough. The additional evidence of video puts it into the âeasy outâ category as far as prosecutors go. More than likely the case would be dismissed after an anger management class, unless the guy has a serious background. Otherwise, heavily lawyering up, as Iâm sure any Trump goon would, might get a case like this pitched for easier pickins. As one poster noted above, Iâm sure this is exactly what happened.
Not really. He did indeed commit battery, he did indeed grab her hard enough to leave bruises. And from the stateâs perspective, they have a victim actively and aggressively wanting to pursue charges.
Battery is defined in Florida as:
The crime of Simple Battery or Misdemeanor Battery is defined under Section 784.03, Florida Statutes. In Florida, the term battery means: Any actual and intentional touching or striking of another person against that personâs will (non-consensual), or. The intentional causing of bodily harm to another person.
Did he actually and intentionally touch her? Yep. Was it against her will in that she did not consent? Yep. Is their physical evidence of the altercation? YepâŚvideos which clearly shows he grabbed her without her consent. She has photos and videos of the bruises he caused. There are eye witnesses that saw it and are willing to testify.
We have his own words where he admitted to grabbing her, a day after the eventâŚand then a convoluted series of denials and a gradual return to the admittance. But he still does admit that he grabbed her.
So, we have pretty indisputable evidence, we have eye witnesses, we have a confession, which includes a motive, we have a victim very willing to testify.
The legal case is quite strong. The political aspects is what is making them drop the case, so complaining about it being political is a bit of a paradoxâŚthat is the only reason he is having the charges dropped.
This was a hoax from the beginning. It was an attention grabbing scam by Fields. None of the videos showed her being âroughly grabbedâ as someone here commented. In fact all the videos were exculpatory in nature. Fields lied about being âManhandledâ. What has happened to this country. Itâs full of sissies. The Democratic Party didnât have the sand to back Obama over the past 8 years and now they will pay the price. People are afraid of Trump because heâs tough and not in a strident, vindictive way like Hillary Clinton is.
Any good lawyer would have this thrown out in seconds.
Are you an attorney? Because I am. How exactly would one have this âthrown outâ? You have a few very strong pretrial tools at your disposal (1) suppression of evidence (which there is no basis for); and (2) lack of probable cause. Whether a jury would find him guilty is a much different call than whether the State has met its very low burden for probable cause.
784.03 Battery; felony battery.â
(1)(a) The offense of battery occurs when a person:
- Actually and intentionally touches or strikes another person against the will of the other.
Her account alone would likely meet the burden. Add in the video which clearly shows him grasp and pull her? There is clearly probable cause.
Juries are a weird animal. If you tried this in front of a judge (bench trial) you would likely get convicted. A judge wont take into account how this was a minor touching. They look at the elements, and they decide. A jury is much different. They donât need to justify their verdict with written findings. So all of them could agree that he touched her against her will and still decide to acquit as this was such a minor incident. They could all say: câmon, why are we even here? Or, they could convict. Itâs a gamble.
So while your assertion that this could easily be thrown out is wrong, I completely agree that this was a judgment call that the county attorney was justified in making. There would be enormous costs of prosecution, security costs, possibly a need for a venue change, a long drawn out process due to continuances and motions, youâd need to subpeona all the witnesses and work around their schedules. All of this for a misdemeanor, and for an incident which the victim indicated she believed was not a big deal! She initially stated that she just wanted an apology.
From a political and journalistic standpoint though, this is actually something that has gotten lost in the frenzy:
After Fields accused Lewandowski of grabbing her and nearly forcing her to the ground, the Trump campaign attempted to paint Fields as âdelusionalâ and as an âattention seeker.â Following Fieldsâ initial accusations, the Trump campaign denied that the incident occurred. And when video of the incident was released by police, the campaign insisted that Lewandowski was innocent.
I think this is the real âscandalâ - they lied about it happening, called her a liar, then changed their story, alleged that she committed battery, and waived his conduct off as no big deal! (And Trump claimed maybe her pen was bomb!) TL;DR - The fact is this: You donât get to manhandle a reporter when they ask a question that your dumbass politician hasnât been closely guarded against answering.
More interesting was Trumpâs response to the assault.
First, he denied that it happened, even though it was caught on tape.
Then he refused to apologize and blamed the victim.
Finally, he claimed self defense, because her pen might have been a bomb, making himself a laughingstock.
Wonder how much that cost The Donald Drumpf. Well, heâs gotta protect his Brownshirts.