Like wearing Hawaiian shirts and open toed sandals on casual fridays?
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Absolutely agree with you. As much as I admire Hillary, and I know sheâs hurting deeply about her loss, I know that she is going to get through the coming financial disaster far better than I will. So, yes, I feel for her, but, at this point, Iâm a lot more worried about myself and those near and dear to me than I am about Hillary. There are are literally millions of people in this country - at least 20 million, at last count - that are going to have a lot more than hurt pride and hurt fee-fees to worry about pretty soon.
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And wearing cheap cologne.
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While Iâve been critical of the HRC campaign, and think that she was precisely the wrong candidate for the time, I am sympathetic with this from a Prof. Lichtman in the WaPo:
âThe Democrats cannot rebuild by pointing fingers at Hillary Clinton and her campaign, which as the Keys demonstrated, were not the root cause of her defeat,â he said. âThe Democrats can rehabilitate themselves only by offering an inspiring progressive alternative to Republican policies and building a grass-roots movement.â
I also thought that this analysis by Russell Brand, comparing Brexit and our election, and that Trumpâs election was inevitable considering the moods and distrust of the establishment in both countries, was pretty astute:
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Two things: One, she was boxed in here; she couldnât be a change agent when she was IN the Obama cabinet. Two, the public wasnât tired of Obamaâs policies - 55 percent approval - but thought the the country was on the wrong track DESPITE his policies. Inarticulate and bewildered about whatâs wrong, many were susceptible to the âI alone can fix itâ bluster, even knowing deep down that Shitgibbon didnât know how to fix anything that didnât involve a lawsuit.
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Well, if what he did in the last 11 days of the election isnât cause, then the term has no meaning.
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Right. Hatch Act violation is firing offense if he intended to influence the election.
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Lookâa lot of voters were worried at the prospect of the constant investigating that Clintonâs presidency would inviteâthe GOPâs threats wore them down and turned them off.
She still won almost half a million more votes than Trump, and the number could grow with absentee ballots still being counted.
Comey was pure rat. I donât know if he should be kicked to the curb now, because the GOP will appoint his twin.
The only mistakes Obama ever made, really, were: appointing GOP Comey (although who could he have gotten through Congress?) and appointing too many sitting Democratic governors to his administration. Kansas and Arizona have never recovered.
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Before we obsess about Hillaryâs mistakes, here is some useful data. Hillary won the election. Let me repeat: Hillary won the election.
Based on current vote counts, she is up by about a half million votes. According to an article posted at the Atlantic today, thereâs another 7,000,000 votes to be counted and Hillary should win them, 2 to 1, adding another 2,700,000 to her lead. So, when all is said and done, she beat Trump by about 3,200,000 votes. This is a big victory.
Despite that and all the demonstrations around the country, all we can do is complain about Hillary, rather than going after Trump and demanding that he concede to Hillary. Not that we would expect him to do so, but because it would be the first step in an aggressive campaign to stop him and to fix the electoral system.
I can guarantee all of us that if the result was just the opposite, the Republicans would be going after every Democratic elector personally, demanding that they follow the national will.
Wake up and get a spibe folks!
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This letter means nothing to me. Voters donât give a shit about reassuring the donors that their money really was well-spent but, so sorry, the loss was completely out of our control. First of all, itâs an absurdly reductionist explanation for the loss, and secondly, itâs demonstrably untrue. At any rate, the Clintons are going to fare just fine under president-elect moron. The rest of us, probably not so much.
I assume that Hillary and Bill will just go quietly into retirement now. I voted for them, supported and defended them, but, with this loss, their time as senior statesmen of the party is over. Itâs time to groom the young blood, the next generation of leaders. The coming battles will be incredibly difficult and weâre going to need fresh vision and energy from this moment forward. So, to the Clintons I say, thank you for your decades of service. I really do appreciate all of it. Now, the time has come to move forward. Enjoy your retirement.
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I blame the media here as they repeatedly said how large a proportion of Americans thought the country was headed in the wrong direction. The problem with that you needed to ask âwhyâ, but few in the media did. Repubs saw the wrong direction being related to Obama and Dems saw it as being Repubs in Congress doing their best to stop any Dem attempts to make things better. So the media kept repeating the general âwrong directionâ words.
Comey had to know what he was doing would effect the election and he either thought that a good thing or he didnât care. I would say that both of those would be Hatch Act violations.
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It was certainly a big factor. The day that was announced was the day I started feeling sick to my stomach. That bell couldnât be unrung. But, the Democrats need to do some painful soul searching. It wasnât just Comey.
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To me itâs a no-brainer that he acted out of malice. Itâs in keeping with his editorializing back in July when he offered scathing words for Clinton while saying there would be no investigation (because of insufficient grounds). Two weeks before the election, things were looking really, really good for her, so he colluded in a dirty trick. And it worked. History will remember him as a key player in delivering this country to near-fascism. (I hope it stays at ânear.â)
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BS. if you canât look at the numbers and figure it out, put a sock in it.
Agree completely. As soon as he heard about the first Comey letter, my husband said, âThatâs it. Trump is going to be president.â There were a lot of factors that went into the loss, some of which the campaign should have managed better, many of which they really couldnât control. There is no simple explanation, and I donât want to kick Hillary when sheâs down. She fought hard and lost anyway. Unfortunately, the consequences of losing to her particular opponent are going to be more horrendous than usual.
The thing we have to do now is study what went wrong and learn from that information. We donât have to do this for purposes of assigning blame and pointing fingers. We have to do it in order to fight smarter going forward.
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Actually, you can, although Iâm not prepared to comment on the accuracy of that analysis. The first letter depressed Clintonâs turnout because it just fed into the conventional wisdom about her and discouraged her supporters. The second letter enhanced Trumpâs turnout because they thought the fix was in for Clinton and they were determined to take her down.
Whether the analysis is correct or not, I have no idea, but the two statements were orthogonal, not mutually exclusive, and both could be true.
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Convincing argument. I sold.
Youâre probably right. I have no doubt that Comeyâs letter had its intended effect, or effects if it influenced voters on both sides. Iâm thoroughly pissed off that he still has a job.
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she was up 6-8 before comey. late deciders went 2-1 for trump after. figure it out. use your toes if needed.
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I have commented so much on this subject that all I can say isâŚNO SHIT!!!
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