Discussion for article #230505
Oh look…it’s that ethnic cleansing Kobach was warning us about…
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Hopefully, Rudy Giuliani can chopper in and explain this story in the “proper” context.
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I really wish police would understand how much it hurts them to protect bad cops. But they’ve got such an Us v. Them mentality, that they automatically defend their own, regardless of the circumstance.
But the truth is: People make mistakes and no one is infallible. And that includes cops. And if a cop panics and shoots someone after losing control of the situation, that person is a bad cop who should be fired, if not prosecuted in the same way that anyone else would if he panicked and killed someone.
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Inaccurate headline. Intimate partner shootings outnumbered police shootings. Thank you, NRA.
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The headline writer obviously didn’t read the article before writing the headline. After all, that would have taken about two minutes and that would be two minutes that the click bait wouldn’t be on the front page.
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Does intimate partner violence including when a gun goes off when a person waves it around in a moving car?
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Well, the solution to this couldn’t be more obvious - we need more guns!
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“The onus is on the person being arrested to stop trying to assault and kill police officers and the innocent public…”
This is the attitude the perpetuates the problem: Its not our fault we decide to shoot people. I am sorry, there are good cops out there, but the majority seem to be total assholes.
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Blood atonement by the Mormon state upon the civil apostates.
“Police are trained and expected to react to deadly threats. As many deadly threats emerge is the exact amount of times police will respond…The onus is on the person being arrested to stop trying to assault and kill police officers and the innocent public. … Why do some in society continue to insist the problem lies with police officers?”
The onus is on the police to assess and evaluate the level of threat in a situation, not carry on like a trigger happy savage, looking for an excuse for force.If they cant handle the responsibility, get another job.
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There have been more deaths caused by police shootings than by gang members, drug dealers or from child abuse in the past five years in Utah, according to The Salt Lake Tribune.
Wow. That is an appalling statistic.
“The onus is on the person being arrested to stop trying to assault and kill police officers and the innocent public. … Why do some in society continue to insist the problem lies with police officers?”
Because it so often seems to be the case that no matter what the “suspect” does, the policeman still shoots him. Eyewitness accounts say that Mike Brown had both hands up when he was killed, and the final fatal shot entered at the top of his head, and not at the center top, but at the top toward the back and the trajectory of the bullet was toward his face, which suggests to me he was either already on the ground when it was fired, or very nearly face-down on the ground.
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So does Utah now have some opening for violent gang members and drug dealers? Jobs, jobs, jobs!
There’s another factor at work, here. The police in the U.S. are dealing with the most heavily-armed citizenry in the world. Makes them a little jumpy, and not without reason.
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Consider that the citizenry is dealing with some of the most heavily militarized police forces in the world. Makes us a little jumpy.
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Not even remotely true - you need to travel a bit more.
The cop on patrol is not driving a tank, and isn’t armed with a 50-caliber. The people he’s pulling over for speeding, on the other hand, often have the kind of weaponry that even most police forces don’t get. All it takes is one “sovereign citizen” to spoil the cop’s day.
This is why cops say that domestic disturbance calls are often the most dangerous. The people they’re dealing with are emotionally charged up, and an alarming number of them have lethal weapons at the ready. They don’t know what they’re walking into.
I live in Utah and I have been watching this situation develop over the last few years. Utah police departments appear to have a shoot first and ask questions later “Comply or Die” policy. This is the natural outcome. Couple that with the fact that it is almost impossible to prosecute a police officer for murder in Utah and you have a recipe for open season on Utah’s citizens.
This…really isn’t at all that outrageous. Like others have mentioned, the number one cause of homocide in Utah is lovers killing their lovers. I don’t think Utah is in a crisis of people living in sin giving into bloodlust and going on deadly rampages.
I think it’s the opposite. Utah has the 4th lowest rate of homicide in the united states. Not only that, but the rate has actually gone down to half of what it was since 1996. So really what’s happening is that over time, people aren’t killing people as often. And it’s 45 people over 5 years, which means that (with Utah’s 2.9 million population) over that 5 year period, you had a 1 in 64,444 chance of being killed by a cop if you lived in Utah. You’re 370% more likely to be killed by a drunk driving in Utah.
That’s not to say that cops killing citizens is okay. I just think it’s important to have some perspective here. In particular, I don’t think this statistic means much when we don’t know the same number for, say, New York or Florida.
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Intimate Partner Violence means when the girl you’re schtupping turns out to be a James Bond villain and crushes you to death with her thighs. And yes, that’s a common enough occurrence in Utah that it has its own homicide category. Where’s the outrage about that?