Discussion: Report: Former Dem Sen. Evan Bayh To Jump Into Indiana Senate Race

Thank you Plucky! I want to say the same thing. Evan is not a bad guy.

And to just add a little OT…Pence is running within the margin of error (4%) against the Dem candidate for Gov. which is why I believe he is so giddy to be the VP choice for Trump. That’s a big tell in my book. So…Dems might be able to take not only the Senate seat by the Gov. too.

Didn’t have the time to look up the Dem candidate for Gov., he didn’t look impressive in his photo, but I’ll get around to that when I have some time later.

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Look at this way, We are replacing a sitting Republican, and the choice is between a Tea Party True Believer, and a moderately conservative Republican* who will caucus with the Democrats and help move the Democrats toward a majority in the Senate.

Sure, Bayh will screw us some of the time, maybe even most of the time, but the alternative will absolutely do it all of the time, and twice on Sundays.

It is a clear win.

*In today’s former GOP, he could never win a primary as a Republican, so running as a Democrat is his only route to office.

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Senate polls currently not brilliant.

Toomey ® is way ahead in PA.
Portland v Strickland is a dead heat in OH.
Rubio v Murphy a dead heat in FL.
Grassley ® slightly better than Judge in IA.
Hassan (D) not really gaining on Ayotte in NH.
NV vulnerable.

Only Feingold has a clear lead in WI. I’m assuming Kirk ® is in trouble in IL.

It’s going to be a tough fight. Confidence is overconfidence.

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I’d rather have 61 (D)s in the Senate this year.
I don’t care how odious the smell.
This is a watershed year-- unlike any other election-- when anything can happen.
This is just another facet of making everything that can happen-- happen.

If I have to hold your nose Steve-O-- dial me up! :worried:

jw1

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Well, that throws a curve ball at Mike Pence’s plans to be The Man Who Would Be King after Trump.

Does Mike give up Indiana or go for all the hype and glitter that is Margo Largo? He would probably get a lifetime membership to the golf club? It’s a really tempting offer and who really cares about all those Unborn and gay marriages anyways? Certainly not the GOP hypocrites who are supporting Trump.

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You can shop around and re-fi after a time.
We did so with two vehicles in the past year.
Look for a local credit union for low rates and great service-- by-and-large.
Didn’t cost us a dime to re-fi-- just some time filling out forms online.

jw1

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Thanks, the actual rate we got was about what we wanted and expected given our credit histories. It is just that this is the first time either of us have done this and it is the largest purchase either of us has made. So there has been some low level concern about any hidden catches and hearing the bank in question has a bit of a shady rep is a little concerning, but the actual dealer has a pretty solid local rep so hopefully it evens out.

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Kind’a broad brush.

A realistic view is that, any Democrat that can be elected, is a good Democrat. No need for Republicans of any stripe. This nitpicking of Dems has killed the party in elections past.

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Right?

What can I say? It’s personal for me with this guy. He’s like the Democrats’ answer to Mitt Romney. His father was a good man. The son is like an insult to his father. Like Romney, he’s milktoast that’s been left out in the sun all day–bland yet foul and rancid.

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“We’re either going to take the Senate by significantly more than 50 votes or we’re not going to retake it at all.”
One of the TPM regulars you referenced earlier, Steve. I’ve come to know you as a pretty level-headed guy, and love your posts providing legal insights in particular. Could you tell us what you base this assertion on?
Also, what’s your read on how things are going for Dems in NC? I see Nate has Hillary up by the tiniest of margins, do you feel she’s topped out or has room to build a more comfortable margin?

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What are their legislative accomplishments? They’re dancing around the fire of their
conservative revolution but what do they have to show for it?

The 2010 mid-terms dealt a devastating blow to
progressive politics and the wounds were all self-inflicted. While Republicans vote in EVERY ELECTION, too
many Democrats and progressives only seem interested in voting when they have
pop culture crush on a certain politician.

The result of GOP gains in 2010 meant that Republican
controlled state houses were able to gerrymander every state and federal
district so tight as to control Congress for at least 10 years and likely 20 or
even more.

What is so maddening about this is that this only
happened because progressives didn’t vote.
How do I know this? Voting
data. We can see what happens when
progressives do vote. since the turn of
the 20th Century only 3 presidents have been elected and reelected with a
majority of the popular vote: FDR,
Eisenhower and Barack Obama. Not Nixon,
not Reagan, not Clinton. In 2008,
Democrats had a substancial House majority and ended up with 60 Senate
seats. In 2012, Democrats for Congress
received >600,000 more votes for Congress than did Republicans and didn’t
retake the House.

So we know where the majority stands and we know the
lasting effects of a gerrymandered House.
Republican judges are keeping those gerrymandered
districts and rubber stamping outrageous voter suppression laws.

So this is what redistricting accomplished for the
GOP. But what has the tea party
accomplished for their right wing cause?
They can block reforms, but they can’t affirmatively push their agenda
which is why they are so frustrated.
They have prevented the passage of a new voting rights act and they have
effectively blocked any hope of any of the serious reforms to banking or heath
care or any other progressive legislation that we are hoping for.

To reverse 2010 will require very hard work and too many
progressives have zero interest in hard work, preferring insteat to sit
around complaining and imposing purity tests until some revolution does
all the hard work for them.

Well, Bernie went all in on a revolution and it didn’t
show up.

So if we want to reverse 2010, we need:

  1. judges who will
    strike down gerrymandered districts. and voter suppression bills.
  2. State
    constitutional amendments to block gerrymandering in favor of fairly drawn
    districts following well established county, township, and municipal
    boundaries. Look at what Florida has
    done in this regard.
  3. Retake state legislatures for 2020 redistricting.
  4. What else?

None of this is accomplished with progressive purity
tests that sacrifice obtainable seats waiting for the revolution that isn’t
coming. To paraphrase Kevin Drum, if we
want to make a difference in this country, we need to be prepared for a very
long, very frustrating slog. We have to buy off interest groups, compromise our
ideals (Evan Bayh), and settle for half loaves—all the things that too many progressives
disdain as part of the corrupt mainstream establishment.

So what are we going to do? Commit ourselves to the ‘slow boring of hard
wood’ as Kevin Drum says? Or piss on those who fail our purity test waiting on
some revolution to solve our problems while avoiding the work of being a
responsible voter in a Democracy?

At least the Tea Party works hard.

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It’s not usually auto loans where squirrely stuff happens.
For us it’s been mortgages-- being sold and resold.

Anyway, can’t hurt to open a small savings account at a credit union-- for future possibilities.
Ours always gives a personal, small-town vibe-- whenever I am contacted.

jw1

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Isn;t it astonishing how we have to go through this every time a blue dog democrat enters the race in a red state. There are political realities that just can’t be denied and this is one of them

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I am a huge fan of credit unions. I am with the UCLA credit union and the personal service I get would never be duplicated with any bank,

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Well they do alternate the corn and the soybean, cuz…nitrates in the soil.

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Does it ever occur to anyone that a Dem running in Indiana can’t possibly run as a progressive and win? Once they get there…well, that remains to be seen, but it’s a helluva a lot better than the alternative.

Pardon me for saying, “duh”.

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Look at Kansas and Wisconsin. Look at Right to Work Laws and Voting Right Restrictions across this country. Again I’m not saying that they haven’t shot themselves in the foot at times or cost themselves elections they could have won, but I think you are ignoring how successful they have been at dragging the political conversation to the right. But, I think we are talking about cross purposes. My point was more about the fact that I think people underestimate the effect the tea-party has had then it was about purity tests.

That said I do think there is a place for purity tests in politics. If some one votes for you 90% of the time, but the 10% of the time they don’t is on the really important/really close stuff and in doing so they provide cover for ones opponent that is an issue. Someone having D next to their name, but failing to live up to the beliefs of the party can hurt the party, be the failure one of actual corruption or one of voting against core party principles and providing the ever eager media with ammunition for their both sides do-itism. To draw a slightly exaggerated example, if someone runs their campaign on a Constitutional Amendment to end marriage equality they shouldn’t receive party support just because they are willing to put a D after their name. There need to be some core values and some of those core values should be related to economic issues not just social. As for what those core values should be that is something that we need to discuss as a party. You need some bare minimum standards and while I don’t know Bayh enough to have an opinion on him personally, I do find the fact that some posters whose opinions I respect and are far from purity sues are expressing concern worrying. I would also say that one of the areas for discussing those core values, as I mentioned earlier, is during the primary process so I have to say I find the whole primary winner stepping aside for someone who never participated in that discussion a little distasteful.

It’s possible that Bayh has made enough money as a lobbyist that he can work a little bit for the people this time. Not likely, but possible.

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Just the fundamentals and the math. Nothing more. Lots more Republican-held, than Democrat-held seats up for grabs this year, just as more Democratic seats were up for grabs in 2014. Plus, just as Republicans having that advantage in a midterm is their best case scenario, having more Republican seats up for grabs during presidential year is our best case scenario.

Well, okay, there is something more. On top of those fundamentals, we also have the lucky break of a number of those Republican seats being in states Obama won and the coming Trump train wreck.

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