Discussion for article #222617
Biden ignoring the economic chaos of Reagan/Bush makes no sense.
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Poor Joe Biden. Even Obama is rooting for Hillary when he quipped last week in a jibe at Fox News that, "Youāll miss me when Iām gone. Itāll be harder to convince the American people that Hillary was born in Kenya.ā Well played, sir.
Are there any prominent Democrats left or are they all in for Hillary?
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Elizabeth Warren is in the wings, maybe not this time.
No. This is West Wing-style āLet Biden be Biden.ā He activates the populist/progressive rhetoric and it allows Hillary to move the frame. I am not a Hillary-lover, but Iām also not a paranoiac. Biden doing this pulls Hillary left and activates the progressives. This is a GOOD thing. Sure, Hillary is a triangulating centrist, but this helps push her to deal with the Left.
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I love Joe Biden, but please, dear Joe, place the deterioration of the middle class squarely where it belongs ā¦ with the horrible piss on me (trickle down) policies Reagan forced on us.
I personally suffered financially under Reagan/Bush when I first got out of college and finally started realizing some personal prosperity in the '90s.
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Warren is 64 now, if she doesnāt run in 2016, she might age out to run for president later. Maybe a Biden/Warren ticket in '16.?
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I was working a low income job and going to school when Daddy was in charge. When he came up with his plan to lower income tax withholding so the lower income and middle class could take home more pay I did some math, and had my employer take out an extra $10 a week. In the end my tax bill was $79. Had I gone along with Georgeās plan, not only would I have been a flat broke, starving, student: I would have owed the government an additional $500. Had there ever been a question of my politics, it was answered then.
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My thoughts exactly.
This talk of economic inequality is starting to have resonance and the more we hear Warren, Biden and others making it an issue, the more it will take root.
Itās the winning issue.
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RE: āBiden said the fraying of middle-class economic security did not begin during President George W. Bushās terms, but earlier, in the ālater years of the Clinton administration.āā
If heās referring to repeal of the Glass-Stegall Act of 1933 with the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999, Biden voted for Gramm-Leach-Bliley.
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Apparently he is campaigning for the White House early!?
Trickle down (As in a rich old white man with an enlarged prostate trickling down on the middle class.) has been with us since Reaganās first term.
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Sounds good but for me pant-load Hillary aināt coming to the left. She may talk the progressive talk, but like our president, she aināt walking the progressive walk. Itās good though to see Biden trying to frame the conversation but a populist message has to be without equivocation or nuance. No talking sideways about Wall Street or praising Walmart 'cause they put a few solar panels on the roof.
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Bill Clinton deserves some of the blame.
āYou could take Lloyd Blankfein into a dark alley, and slit his throat, and it would satisfy them for about two days,ā Geithner recalled Clinton telling him. āThen the blood lust would rise again.ā
I believe that Hillary shares some of the same problems as Geithner. Sheās a status quo centrist that Geither thought would make a good replacement for himself at treasury:
From the same article:
Timothy Geithner says in a new memoir that he repeatedly offered to resign as Treasury secretary in the aftermath of the financial crisis and at one point suggested that Hillary Rodham Clinton be among those considered to replace him.
I can see why Geithner gave Hillary the nod as his replacement:
But Clinton offered a message that the collected plutocrats found reassuring, according to accounts offered by several attendees, declaring that the banker-bashing so popular within both political parties was unproductive and indeed foolish. (The Atlantic)
Obama has also been too easy on bankers.
a short list of Obama officials who got their start in the private sectorāmany, like Paulson, at āGovernment Sachs.ā
See the list at Mother Jones
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Distance from Ms. Clinton. Not surprising.
Iād fly over to the US and volunteer for that campaign, it would dramatically improve the entire world, not just the US.
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Only way is if Hillary doesnāt run.
Me, Iād rather win. Or would you prefer to hand 2016 to a President purchased by the Koch Bros?
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Yeah, watch what they DO; donāt listen to what they say. Corporate Democrats crawl out from under their rocks every four years to give Elizabeth Warren-type speeches. No thanks. Iāll take the real thing - Warren in 2016!
Biden is either (a) stupid or (b) a liar for asserting that the middle class began to fray in the later years of the Clinton era. Any first year Econ student can show you the charts that pinpoint the decline almost exactly to the day St. Ronnie took office. So - what do we prefer our VP be? Stupid, or a liar?