Let me get this straight. One team will have written all the peer reviewd papers on global warming, the other team will be PR flacks for fossil fuel? More popcorn please.
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The oldest trick in the Republican Playbook: “If you can’t win on the Facts, SHOUT THEM DOWN!”
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One guess which “side” Pruitt will quote when he justifies his policy directives…
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Fuck this evil piece of shit. Sorry. I ran out of intelligent things to say about these assholes way too early today. Now I’m just winging it, because I really have nothing left except an angry ad hominem.
And now for your moment of Zen:
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Since EPA is starting " “red team, blue team” exercises to perform “at-length evaluation of U.S. climate science…"" it is only right that an appropriate federal agency start "red team, blue team exercises to test the flat earth theory against the “round earth doctrine.”
See https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Flat_Earth_Wiki:
Welcome to the Flat Earth Wiki, otherwise known as The FEW - a collaborative resource maintained by the Flat Earth Society!
This website is dedicated to unraveling the true mysteries of the universe and demonstrating that the earth is flat and that Round Earth doctrine is little more than an elaborate hoax.
Much of the experimental evidence for a flat earth is provided by Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham, a 19th century lecturer who traveled the isles of Britain giving lectures at many prominent universities of the day. His experimental evidence is very easily reproducible and requires only access to a long body of standing water and a little trig to conclude that water is not convex, that the surface of the earth does not curve as round earth doctrine mathematically predicts. Other experiments require only a stick and a plumb line. Each of the experiments are described in full in the flat earth literature.
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Scott Pruitt, Scott Walker, Rick Scott. Hmmm, am I seeing a pattern here?
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Great Scott! You figured it out!
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Why not throw in the NRA while you’re at it? They’re so good about objectively evaluating evidence.
Well, this should be interesting. Either it’s going to be a complete farce – climate change denialists with little to no expertise in climate science making ridiculous arguments which are then given equal footing to peer-reviewed research by bona fide climate scientists – or it’s going to be a partial farce, where the small number of bona fide climate scientists who are skeptical of the consensus are given prominence far beyond their numbers.
I looked into this in some detail about a year ago, and there are actually a small handful of bona fide climate experts who disagree with the overall “climate consensus” in one or more ways. But it really is a tiny, tiny group. And of course magnifying those dissenting voices and proceeding with the debate as if half the scientific community was on each side contains elements of farce. On the other hand, at least that’s a debate among scientists, and the truth is, science doesn’t really rely on majority support for a “consensus,” it relies on evidence.
Sadly, I think it’s more likely that we’ll get the “complete farce” version, or something close to it. Because even with a large thumb on the scale in favor of the denialist position, the scientific evidence in support of manmade climate change is just too overwhelming. So the denialists cannot win with scientific evidence, they can only “win” with obfuscation and pseudoscientific rhetoric.
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This June Tucson, where I live, experienced 14 days in a row with temperatures above 110 F. Two days got to 114 F. I’d like to have Pruitt tell me the climate isn’t warming after spending an hour sitting on my porch.
Yes I realize the difference between climate and weather. But does Pruitt? Does he understand the scientific method? Does he realize climate science has been around for decades? And that it took years to reach a consensus? Or that scientists are natural skeptics? Show us the data! And if the data backs your hypothesis then good. Science is fact, not belief, driven.
Today at 105 F its relatively balmy.
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One other thing I hafta post… I really really detest willful ignorance and deliberate stupidity. Especially when it’s used for a political end.
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The American people deserve a real debate on gravity. And on
eeevoelushion. Neither of those things are mentioned as created in the first seven days in The Book of Genesis…
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Pretty much never, unfortunately. Pruitt was too busy collecting campaign money from fossil fuel companies to bother doing anything in response to Oklahoma’s fracking-related earthquakes. Now he’s a cabinet member.
During Pruitt’s tenure as attorney general, Oklahoma became the most seismically active state in the Lower 48, recording three times as many earthquakes as California in 2014. Before 2009, there were, on average, two earthquakes a year in Oklahoma that were magnitude 3 or greater. In 2015, there were 890.
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I think since the Trump Administration is propagating these Bogus Presidential Commissions, they should start one to revive the Nixon Era Commission on Pornography. The Pseudo Christian Segregationists would spontaneously orgasm. It would give Donald Trump something to do all day other than watch Cable TV News, he could chair it. Other members could be Rudy Giuliani, Carl Paladino, Chuckie Grassley, Rand Paul, Scott DesJarlais. Orrin Hatch might find it interesting too.
Enlist Kobach; he’s not busy. And he’s really good at this stuff!
I guess we can’t get off Scott free
This is emphatically not a challenge…
Can you post the citation for this?
Preaching to the converted. Not likely to change many minds.
For some reason, Pruitt makes me think of the horse Caligula appointed to the Roman Senate.
I wish to drag out my pet peeve here:
It is the emission side of the equation, which gets all the focus (Big Business, Oil and Car companies, Powerplants etc) but the absorbtion side is still prettt bad, due to deforestation across the globe (Indonesia and South American Countries major culprits, but not the only ones).
I think the Anti-Global Warming movement would gain more support, if we pressed what actuallty can be done, stopping deforestation and raising forests (I think we actuallly have state-sponsored program for planting forests here in little Denmark, but, say, the US could do a lot ).
Should appeal even to Donald as a Federal Work Program…
Re-deniers, that is the term that needs to be applied to this group of blockheads.
They already lost the denial fight but managed to waste decades whilst losing. Now, that the science is clear and proven and the evidence is physically everywhere, they want to deny the experts or, time wasting tactic #2, in hopes of squeezing a little more juice out of their obstinance in hopes that we all perish before they ever have to admit their intentional ignorance.
These jackwads are arguing because they never agree and always argue while in the meantime the way past theoretical evidence is happening all around them.
If there is a heaven, which their isn’t-I deny it, the re-deniers would frack it, mine it, over harvest it and pollute it then claim ignorance as they had to decamp to hell. Oh, and they’d collude with the devil on their way down for supremacy rights.
Heh, just don’t tell him or his base that liberals like the idea.
Yeah, there’s been progress to slow deforestation, but not nearly enough to begin to reverse it; and agriculture’s in fact at least as big a climate culprit at this point (good luck getting us Americans to lay off the meat). But of course fossil fuels produce something like four times the CO2 of deforestation and agriculture combined, so…
The push for renewables is something that can be done, and is happening. But we’ve got to get our big energy companies and our local utilities to stop standing in the way of people being able to, say, put solar panels on their houses (some US utilities not only won’t give customers a discount on their energy bills to feed back into the grid, but actually charge for the privilege). But of course the right cries “Solyndra!” and we’ve got Pruitt and Mr. Exxon in the administration, so…
At least you in Denmark won’t get the worst of it; my one dark solace these days is that our southern states (ie, the reddest ones politically) will. Not really much of a comfort…