Discussion: Pruitt Is Reportedly Starting An EPA Initiative To Challenge Climate Science

““What the American people deserve, I think, is a true, legitimate, peer-reviewed, objective, transparent discussion about CO2,””

Ummm…we have that…piles and fucking piles of it. What he really means is that he and the rest of Methbilly Nation refuse to believe anything they don’t like and didn’t control such that they couldn’t force the process to produce the result they desired.

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We have always been at war with Eastasia …

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What a joke this guy is.

“What the American people deserve, I think, is a true, legitimate, peer-reviewed, objective, transparent discussion about CO2,”

This idiot has no idea what peer-review is. If he did, he would realize that the consensus of the peer-reviewed climate literature is that global warming and climate change is caused by burning of fossil fuels.

Pruitt has a undergraduate degree in political science and a law degree. He has no direct experience with scientific inquiry or reasoning.

It will be (darkly) amusing to watch this pathetic exercise play out.

I should add - the man is nothing but a political hack.

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Thanks. “Ira” should be proud :slight_smile:
You could also add to your list: NASA, NOAH, The Smithsonian Institute, and many equivalent organizations from around the world.

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Indeed. Gotta love Asimov. You can see it all play out with the ad revenue driven false equivalence paradigm of the MSM: “his alternative facts are just as good as your scientific/demonstrable facts”…not to mention the MSM’s decades-long apparent belief that there’s no such thing as a lie.

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Yes he does. It means actually qualified scientists, not self-interested industry lickspittles, and he fucking hates that. What he means when HE says it, is that “red team” will be the industry’s “experts” and they will be “peer reviewing” the actual scientists, i.e., fighting to disprove everything they do.

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Now you’re just showing off. :wink:

More seriously, I know a lot of petroleum geologists. They know anthropogenic climate change is real, even if the AAPG as an organization is equivocal.

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It’s like the Justice Department under BushII/Gonzales. They were able to find any number of new staffers among law graduates of Liberty U who also were happy to pledge fealty to GWB. It might be a little harder among actually qualified scientists, but what with the EPA budget slashed by 30% their problem will be how to get rid of people. On the other other hand, there is no doubt that existing employees are going for early retirement (actually in the federal government after a certain age you can retire or not if you have enough years in) or looking for a job in a state agency or private industry or education.

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It’s been done, most recently by the Koch’s.

As long as the Red team members are open to changing their minds, the weight of the evidence will change their minds. It’s happened many times.

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Sen. Franken smacked Rick Perry down hard when he raised this “red team/blue team” BS in one of the Senate committees earlier this week, citing a number of peer reviewed studies by name. It was wonderful to see.

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Mid- and late- career scientists are not in tremendous demand. I’m very aware of that myself, because I just went through a successful job search. I’m very happy in the new job. But in the search I was skipped over for job after job that I was fully qualified to do. I even got skipped over by CDC – told I was unqualified for their position, although I’ve worked in a similar position for years.

Age discrimination is illegal, but proving it is difficult. It’s also very real. I was prepared to collect early Social Security when I decided I wasn’t going for tenure at my old job.

Tenure-leading jobs are getting scarcer, and that isn’t going to help matters much on the education side of the ledger.

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The stupidity of the man!
He is right up there with the brain surgeon and wedding planner running HUD…

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Let me get this straight. One team will have written all the peer reviewd papers on global warming, the other team will be PR flacks for fossil fuel? More popcorn please.

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The oldest trick in the Republican Playbook: “If you can’t win on the Facts, SHOUT THEM DOWN!”

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One guess which “side” Pruitt will quote when he justifies his policy directives…

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Fuck this evil piece of shit. Sorry. I ran out of intelligent things to say about these assholes way too early today. Now I’m just winging it, because I really have nothing left except an angry ad hominem.

And now for your moment of Zen:

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Since EPA is starting " “red team, blue team” exercises to perform “at-length evaluation of U.S. climate science…"" it is only right that an appropriate federal agency start "red team, blue team exercises to test the flat earth theory against the “round earth doctrine.”

See https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Flat_Earth_Wiki:

Welcome to the Flat Earth Wiki, otherwise known as The FEW - a collaborative resource maintained by the Flat Earth Society!

This website is dedicated to unraveling the true mysteries of the universe and demonstrating that the earth is flat and that Round Earth doctrine is little more than an elaborate hoax.

Much of the experimental evidence for a flat earth is provided by Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham, a 19th century lecturer who traveled the isles of Britain giving lectures at many prominent universities of the day. His experimental evidence is very easily reproducible and requires only access to a long body of standing water and a little trig to conclude that water is not convex, that the surface of the earth does not curve as round earth doctrine mathematically predicts. Other experiments require only a stick and a plumb line. Each of the experiments are described in full in the flat earth literature.

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Scott Pruitt, Scott Walker, Rick Scott. Hmmm, am I seeing a pattern here?

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Great Scott! You figured it out!

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Why not throw in the NRA while you’re at it? They’re so good about objectively evaluating evidence.