They donât say what the weapon was, but apparently people get upset when cops shoot people. Maybe law enforcement should rethink their shoot first mentality. Maybe they should start offering radical de-escalation training and dispense with this warrior training crap.
What is the story that has caused protests to erupt?
this is one of those âbest wait for the factsâ stories.
The cops account has the story as the guy was wanted on multiple warrants, and a US Marshall Fugitive Apprehension team tried to grab him. The guy got in his car, rammed the police car several times âbefore exiting with a weaponâ
according to a county commissioner-- the guy was shot 16-20 times.
The use of the word âweaponâ bothers me for some reason. If the guy had a gun, then the shooting was justified, IMO. But âweaponâ doesnât always mean gun, and 16-20 shots seems excessive (even if the shooting was justified).
leaving 24 police officers and two journalists injured.
Is this the cops Inflating the numbers? That seems like a crazy high number of cop injuries.
According to CNN, Memphis Mayor Jim Strickland said that six of the officers were hurt badly enough to require medical attention
Is it an injury if you donât need medical attention? I suppose weâd need to know the definition of âmedical attentionâ. Paramedics? The hospital? A bandaid?
You are taking away all the fun part of being a cop, next you are going to take away his guns and turn the job police officer into a dangerous nightmare like in England, that we all know there are rivers of blood of so many stabbingsâŚ
I think they just determined that shooting someone 56 times in another incident was understandable. 56 bullets basically turns someone in to hamburger. Could be stupidity on the perpâs side and over kill on the cops.
Minneapolis mayor Jacob Frey was able to ban that training in Minneapolis. The police union relented and went along with the ban after rebelling against it initially. Too bad more cities are not joining in.
The Minneapolis police union has reversed course and agreed to the mayorâs new policy banning âwarrior-styleâ training to officersâŚ
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/minnesota/articles/2019-04-26/mayor-minneapolis-police-union-backs-warrior-training-ban
Agree on waiting for the facts.
Iâd say that 16-20 shots isnât necessarily effective if youâve got multiple officers in a defensive situation against an armed assailant. In the moment, any weapon can be a deadly weapon so I wouldnât fault them for engaging in those circumstances, especially if the ârammed officers cars multiple times before emerging with a weaponâ part is true-- that would tend to show fairly obvious intent to target the officers. But again-- waiting for the facts would definitely be wise.
The interesting detail to me is that itâs involving US Marshals, which I (maybe naively) have an image in my mind as more level-headed and cool under pressure than local police forces. Probably Tommy Lee Jones is to blame for that.
At least in the case of the US Marshals, that would require starting over completely.
When I served on a federal grand jury, I was give a tour of the US Marshal facility at the federal courthouse. My take-home was that the main tactic they use is to break the door down and grab their targets.
The facility also had FOX news playing on big screens everywhere all throughout the facility.
Re: weapon vs. gun. Keep in mind that military types are very particular about their jargon. Guns are large cannon-type devices and so they donât refer to pistols or rifles as guns.
I think it would help if the NRA and 2A groups did not see to it that everybody was armed with âbetterâ weapons than the cops. The escalation of police tactics are due in large part to THIS issue.
AND of course the USG âalsoâ giving them all those military-type weapons.
But I think it starts with the cops feeling âoutgunnedâ AND that makes the populace hate them when they overrespond so it is a circular issue.
I agree the cops go to âdeadly responseâ too quickly. I just see that the problem comes from the arming of the populace as well.
The guns I gather are fired very quickly and a half dozen shots could go off in less than 10 seconds.
Like mere oral sex not qualifying as real sexual relations in the Southern Culture in which Bill Clinton came of age.
Huffpost Memphis Unrest Police Shooting
There is a lot more to this than our story reports. And it looks like there is some serious racial historical context for the rioting to have erupted so spontaneously late at night.
thanks for posting. That reads to me like the marshals werenât in the vehicles being rammed, which would counter my previous thought about intent.
ETA: that could just be the wording though.
Also says the victim was shot on his, or someoneâs, front lawn.
Iâve gotta wonder how the guy managed to ram a police car several times without hurting anyone. He must have been astonishingly gentle about it. (Also wondering if that weapon will turn out to be a cell phone.)
I live in Minneapolis and watched that unfold. A few years ago officer Jeronimo Yanez shot Philando Castile right outside of my office window. ( I wasnât there at the time.) Yanez had been to Warrior Training. I think maybe twice.
Several of the cops were injured as they tripped over each other fighting for position to get off some shots at the suspect.