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Well congressman I’ve seen a few “experts” on the tube giving their opinions,“should be doing more” pulled out troops to soon"etc,etc.Graham and McCain will no doubt be on the unwatchable Sunday gabfest this week-end.
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We need to find out the countries that are funding these evil Sunni terrorists who are attacking innocents. If our allies are funding these rabid pigs, we should impose sanctions on these countries and seize their assets.
Some fucking progressive. So tell me Rep Ellison, which bombs are the humanitarian ones?
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There’s a progressive caucus?
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McCain’s criticism is that there aren’t more, bigger, bombs and boots on the ground.
Nice to see there are some actual Progressives in the Progressive Caucus. This isn’t about some NeoCON asspull or imaginary WMDs…this a humanitarian mission with very real assholes. No real Liberal Progressive would EVER turn a blind eye or deaf ear to someone’s crying for help.
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So for the past 10 years where have the “real Liberal Progressive” been when the innocents have been crying for help in Iraq? Is it that it just matters now?
I support targeted airstrikes in Texas to protect the progressives living in the state. God bless them.
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Not at Abu Ghraib…but somewhere decidedly against destroying their country with the “dumb war”…happy to clear that up for you.
Am I addressing Curveball by chance?
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Call me crazy but I’ll never believe military solutions are preferable. They’re more expensive than just dumping money from the sky, they scar the environment, and they ignore the fact where there’s conflict there’s always a win-win possible if the situation is addressed with sufficient compassion and intelligence. Yes I know it’s hard to reason with yet another millenarian movement created by America’s imperial ambitions, and it’s too late to undo the harm we did that caused it, but even so, we’ll never survive as a species if we don’t start using our wit and our hearts at some point.
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We don’t need to find out, we already know. It is the usual suspects, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar. But don’t forget that both the Turks and of course the good old United States also provided training and support for many Anti-Assad Rebels who are now fighting with and in key leadership positions within ISIS.
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No, not Curveball and no, you didn’t clear anything up for me with your post.
But, Rep. Ellison, you didn’t mention the objective of “protecting American interests” that’s always stealthily tacked on to every reciting of the objective.
Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were killed by our hand for those very same “American interests.”
We created this humanitarian crisis, but it’s not clear we can fix it. But come hell or high water, we will never surrender those “American facilities” that the President tells us need protecting, even while those who profit from those facilities pay no income taxes on record-setting profits.
A meme I’ve seen being circulated on multiple news outlets is the idea that there is no negotiating with these extremists, and that they must be met with force. The winds of war…
Ya, I have heard that too. When was the last time war solved the problem? WW2?Not since. We keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting differnt results. If this genocide is avoided there will be another group and another genocide just around the corner. It’s a prescription for endless war. I actually think the President understands this far more than the media. The media on all sides of this have fearmongered it to an extreme, shameful degree. Whenever we have an enemy its always the worst,scariest thing that there ever was. They do it over and over again. Gulf of Tonkin, babies pulled out of incubators, WMD. All lies. All they have to do is scare people and in 24 hours everybody is falling in line. This is an arab problem that will only be solved by arabs.
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The truth is, as you pointed out, WWII is the last time we engaged in a military conflict that really was a direct benefit to our National Security. But when you have a standing armies, then you need to have that army do something or people will begin to ask why are we spending billions of dollars for a military power we are not using?
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Over that period until recently, our government has been killing them.
The “real Liberal Progressives” have been consistently beseeching that government to stop since the inception of this disaster. Or maybe you’ve not been listening.
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Seventy five per cent approved Bush’s invasion of Afghanistan, two thirds supported his invasion of Iraq. Will Obama break George’s approval numbers for his re-entry into the Crusade sweepstakes?
Not a chance in this spin tornado. Cheney and w. wrecked the M.E. The question is can we break the wave? This situation is an opportunity to do that and with any luck we will have more than w’s gut deciding. Time for the break it and complain crowd to step up to the plate.