Discussion: PPP Poll: Forty Percent Of Voters Would Support Impeaching Trump

At least Pence wouldn’t launch a nuclear warhead because someone was mean to him.

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And another 10% are writers, comedians and pundits who need Trump to stay in office to provide the material to do their jobs well, but who think impeachment would be too slow and cumbersome for the good of the country. Think 25th Amendment.

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Thanks so much for reposting that link! I thought I had saved it from another post and couldn’t find it

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2/3 of both houses of Congress need to vote to confirm the side-lining of POTUS once initiated by the cabinet, so the Twenty-Fifth Amendment route still hinges on Democrats. (Multiple edits because it’s that time of the day.)

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What’s all this talk of Trump firing his secret service members?

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It will increase. After his first week I was thinking to myself that Trump is really governing on borrowed time now.

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Uh oh… with Ivanka and Jared going on Shabbat tonight, will we get another twitstorm after this news?

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Actually, the GOP would still need Democrats to make it stick, even if resorting to the 25th Amendment:

25th Amendment, Section 4

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.

Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

Emphasis added for clarity.

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That’s always how he operates. His whole mode is to swoop in and grab everything he can as quickly as possible and then get out, with a trail of destruction behind him. It’s the same thing here, only on a much bigger scale.

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Impeachment requires a vote in the House, which is currently solidly controlled by Republicans politicians whose constituents feel this way about Trump:

"54 percent of registered voters in districts represented by Republicans
viewed Mr. Trump favorably compared with only 42 percent who view him
unfavorably. More important, people who identify with the party
overwhelmingly view him favorably. In districts represented by
Republicans, fully 87 percent of registered Republicans view Mr. Trump
favorably.

Support for Mr. Trump in G.O.P. districts is even higher among registered
Republicans who are extremely interested in politics (94 percent
favorable), identify as strong Republicans (92 percent favorable) or say
they are very conservative (94 percent favorable). These groups are
especially likely to vote in primaries and are key constituencies in
nomination contests for higher office. As a result, they wield
disproportionate influence on legislator behavior."

These Republicans don’t give a flying fuck about us because few of us are in the majority in their districts. They care about the Republican voters who put them in office, and those voters love Trump.

The only things that could possibly dislodge their support of Trump would be either a horrible military disaster that would clearly be seen as his fault, or an extended economic downturn. Even so, given the fact that Trump voters are by definition insane, it’s highly unlikely they’d hold Trump responsible in either event—he would blame Obama, and they’d happily swallow it.

From that same PPP poll:

“Trump voters also continue to refuse to believe in the sincerity of those protesting him. 48% think the folks who protested at airports across the country last weekend were paid to do so by George Soros.”

Yes, George Fucking Soros is personally paying people to travel to airports to hold signs and chant slogans and wear pink knitted hats. Once you believe that, you can believe anything.

And these Trump voters don’t give a shit about his phone calls to Mexico or Australia—if anything, they think it’s great. These are people who are entirely comfortable with a President who is openly consorting with white supremacists, racists, and Islamophobe lunatics. They are entirely fine with the fact that he’s unashamedly groped women and bragged about it. They wear t-shirts to his rallies proclaiming their desire to lynch journalists. They openly doubt the Holocaust happened “because there’s no way you can fit six million people into those ovens.” They couldn’t care less than he’s tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars in debt to financiers who are subservient to the president of one of our main geopolitical adversaries. They openly advocated the execution of the candidate of the Democratic Party because of emails.

Considering all this, what could Trump possibly do now that would finally turn these cretins against him? Use the wrong salad fork?

Thinking that Republicans are going to remove Trump from office is relying on a deus ex machina to save us, but our way out requires actions of our own.

Hopelessness is not the solution; Democrats in Congress should oppose Trump at every turn and in every vote. It’s imperative that Democrats in Congress and in the DC party organization become far more active and adept at making the Democratic case to the general public, and especially to likely Democratic voters. It’s imperative to destroy Republican arguments and ideology, and to put the heat on the MSM to do its fucking job. All of this is the necessary precursor to getting as many people to the polls in 2018 as possible. There should be no greater priority for the DNC than making sure that happens.

If Democrats somehow regained control of the House and Senate, then removal from office becomes at least plausible.

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I heard not SS but CISO and some other and some folks that do the cyber.

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Gallup 1/31 - 2/2
Favorable: 43%
Unfavorable: 52%

Pollingreport.com

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Links? Would be good to know more.

Sadly if Trump goes down the GOP is going to blame all of the unpopular actions he’s taken on him and then say he did/led it on his own. All in an effort to distance themselves from and place the blame on him in order to try to save themselves.

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Not so sure about that…he’ll just redirect the warhead to hit the blue spots in the country…

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Rob “Worthless POS” Portman (R-Crazytown, OH) does not accept faxes, dammit.

I wanted to fax him to tell him “No” on deVos…

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Seriously, it’s only been two weeks of this shit show. It’s been like the RNC convention/shit show on steroids.

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I don’t know who this guy is, or if this is reliable info. That’s why I was asking to see if anyone knew anything. This tweet says they resigned but another one I saw (can’t remember where) said fired.

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No escaping the bellcurve.

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Maddow is big buddies with him if that’s anything.

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