Discussion: Pope Francis Visits Nuns Suing Over Obamacare's Contraceptive Exemption

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NoooNNONoNononNOoooo!!! Not the EVIL forms again.

Kind of like a certain county clerk we all know.

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I am trying to figure out how filling out a form, which essentially asks for the accommodation, damages the Little Sisters of the Poor in any way,

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You know…if you think about this crap it’s really gotta be a bunch of shit. When did all this start? Right after they were told they could do it. Where were these “Sisters” 20 years ago? Wherever they were they were keeping their mouths shut. They didn’t have those concerns then? Sure they did but they couldn’t get away with the crap we’re up to today so they just complied. But they’ve been empowered by a bunch of religious hustlers and now the can do it so they do.

I don’t remember anyone bitching about birth control in 1968 when my sister got it. And she got it in a Catholic run hospital. Granted that was in Holland but when she came to the USA in the 70’s there was no one squawking this and BC was everywhere. She got it here no problem. This is just a fucking wingnut fad. It’s an in style thing so their all doing it. Cakes, marriage certificates and Birth Control. There will be more. It’s a fucking fad like beanie babies or hula hoops.

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What I find interesting is that this little tidbit - support for the most radical legal theory advanced by “conservatives” in the past two decades - is utterly unremarked in the right-wing coverage of his visit. Clearly - and unsurprisingly - he supports their desire to avoid allowing the use of contraception, and as lovely as he is relative to the two radical reactionary-cum-fundamentalist whackos who preceded him, this legal position is ridiculous and makes a mockery of our laws.

This “exemption” nonsense is nothing more than an attempt to assert the supremacy of religious doctrine over the constitution.

As a non-Catholic I like this Pope very much. That does not mean I have to agree with every position he takes. I support this feature of the ACA and think those using their religion to force they views on others is wrong. This is Hobby Lobby all over again. Fortunately in America, I simply don’t have to shop there anymore. I have a voice. It’s called my wallet.

Now THIS one’s A-OK with Gozer.

Worse – Davis does have to affirm a thing she disapproves of (though as long as she’s in that job she has no right to object); the sisters would be confirming they’ll have nothing to do with the thing they disapprove of. I’d love to think Francis hasn’t been briefed on precisely what the facts are here…

@RichardinJax, you’re right about all this crap starting in the late 1970s; that’s also when the NRA changed from a responsible gun-owners’ association that actually favored sane gun-control legislation to the insane corporate front it is today, and when the campaign against the “liberal media” began in earnest. After decades on the losing end of virtually every public debate, culminating in Goldwater’s massive defeat, the right realized they’d never win if they didn’t blow up the national consensus. The new well-funded “think tanks” got their start shortly thereafter, and by the late 1970s the church and club mailing lists had produced a critical mass of foot-soldiers who were bombarding newsrooms to “cover the other side.” Took a while, but by now we’ve had more than a generation of Americans – and reporters – raised on this insanity.

They should change the forms to a more open essay type form and allow the religious entity to fill it out with any language they want saying they don’t believe in or are opposed to contraceptives. They would be free to state any objection including the trigger set in motion by the form. This allows expression of their religion as they see fit.

No more of an accomidation is needed here.

Also, didn’t God give us free will? Isn’t it up to the individual to to follow his teachings.

Seems God was pretty pro-choice.

I wonder what nuns use for contraceptives?