Discussion: Pope Francis Says Kim Davis Refusal To Issue Marriage Licenses Is 'A Right'

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Francis was asked about the case of Kim Davis…

Francis said he didn’t know the case in detail…

So STFU about it, your Holiness. Amen.

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Totally wrong and misleading headline, the bulk of the article is not about Kim; she’s barely mentioned.

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MadeYaLook! Ha!

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Well, he’s right, isn’t he, as far as he went? She has a right to her beliefs. But the Pope did not comment on whether she could both follow her conscience and keep her job. Very different question. And the Pope is not, and does not pretend to be, and expert of the American legal system.

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Every time I think, “I could get to like this pope” he does something like this.

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And a big fuck off to you Pope Frances.

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Unfortunately , she and her shyster ’ lawyers ’ will now play on this . " He has spoken " .

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I doubt it. To “Christians” like Davis and Huck, Catholics like the Pope are not Christians.

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Exactly.

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Thank you, i was thinking the same thing. It was a wide-ranging discussion. I almost didn’t click because i honestly don’t care about Kim Davis. I found the pope’s other remarks very interesting.

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When you’re right, you’re right. You’re wrong this time, Frankie.

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Don’t be fooled. Francis isn’t a total wingnut, but he’s no liberal either.

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I heard a rebroadcast of This American Life on Saturday. Dan Savage was talking about his mother’s death, and her nature as a devout Catholic. (It’s episode 359, I think. Definitely worth the time for the podcast.) When (JP)^2 or Bennie popped some sort of craziness (like, contraception is a sin, women will never be ordained, etc.) she said, “It’s as if they’re trying make us all Lutherans.”

Two things in response: this is Francis’ first, “Trying to make you all Lutherans moments” and, (sadly) we have our share of crazies in the Lutheran church, too.

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The Pope said it was a HUMAN right, not a legal right. It was always ‘fine’ for her to have her beliefs…it was not fine to disobey the law.

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Dear Pope: I will accept the words of encouragement, and I hope that you, old Romanist reprobate and representative of evil, Mary worshiper and wicked emissary of Satan on earth that you are will repent, accept Jebus’ as your personal savior, be ‘born again,’ and not burn in hell…where you are surely headed.
So…Thank yewww’ Pope! I’ll pray for yew’ and my cousin Cletus Davis will fondle a rattlesnake and drink some strychnine in your honor.
With Kentucky Christian love___Kim

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The Council of Bishops has already told the courts that they don’t need to appear because they report to a higher authority. Christians are waging war on the legal system of the US and claiming that they are under attack. This may end up very badly because it is beginning to look like the 1850’s.

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It’s not a right when it’s what you’re paid to do and what that is is follow the law. She also has the right to get a job in which the duties in the job description match her abilities.

Maybe she should go live inside vatican city if she wants this “right”.

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The issue whether never whether Kim Davis had a right to be a “conscientious objector” when it came to personally issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples - she was offered numerous outs that would have allowed her to not do so personally.

The issue was that, in her position as County Clerk, she attempted to stop her office from issuing them - threatening to fire any staff member who processed them, challenging the legality of any licenses issued without her signature, and adopting a policy that no licenses (to any couples, gay or straight) would be issued by the office because of her personal objection to the court ruling.

She wasn’t a “conscientious objector”, she was the modern day equivalent of George Wallace standing in the county courthouse door to deny civil rights to others. There is a huge difference.

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He’s correct. It’s a human right. He didn’t say it’s a legal right. Different things. She has the human right to not issue licenses, she just doesn’t have the legal right to not issue licenses. His remarks are entirely consistent with “do the job or resign.”

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