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Roberts brought in national campaign people. The national people live in the DC bubble. They don’t know squat about Kansas. Neither does Roberts who famously slipped he only comes to Kansas when he has an opponent. Brownback has pissed off lots and lots of moderate Republicans. Orman gives them somebody to support. His message is perfect for Kansas right now.
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Orman looks like a Mark Ruffalo doppelganger.
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“…polls have shown Orman with a significant lead…”
How about this for a liberal response to the conservative voter suppression efforts? We make a law requiring everyone in Kansas to vote now… lol
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This one has the same markings of the GOP’s failed experiments with Elizabeth Warren in DC and MA. Self-inflicted wounds, out of touch response and a circus of a show.
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I firmly believe this is the biggest long-term story in politics right now. If Brownback, Roberts, and Kobach all go down this year, even though that really is a product of politics very peculiar to Kansas, it will rock the conservatives back on their heels. It will hasten their sidelining the Tea Party.
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Why is the TPM tracking so close? It hasn’t updated with polling since mid-September, even though there are several polls out there in the past few weeks. The statement at the end of the article implies that the race is still really close, when that’s not the case at all. Shoddy reporting, update your tracking system to reflect current polls before you point to them as an accurate datapoint about the race.
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I agree that this is the most relevant race in the country right now. If Orman wins, it shines a light on a lot of features of our political world. It shows the weakness of the D brand in deeply red states at the same time it shows how the R’s can go way too far if they aren’t careful. It will likely be remembered as the R’s paying a cost for spending far too much attention on the wrong part of their party/ideology.
If Orman wins, you’ll likely see a LOT of independents running in red states and the D’s just getting out of their way. Probably not in Presidential years, but in off-years for sure. I doubt it’ll be the “rise of the middle” that so many of us want, but it could be a serious punch to the gut of the far right wing.
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“A second poll released Sunday, however, finds Roberts and Orman tied. The New York Times’ Nate Cohn notes one possible reason for the disparity: The second survey, conducted by YouGov for CBS and the Times, finds 19 percent of Democrats undecided, much higher than in other polls.”
The article failed to mention this poll out today.
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Don’t get too excited folks. Roberts is odious, but Orman says he’s going to “caucus with the majority.” If the Democrats come up with 49 and the Republicans with 50, then he holds the balance in his hands, things will get interesting, but you can’t really count him as a turnover given that he could feel obliged to caucus with the Republicans under those circumstances.
Don’t think Roberts can pull this one out. Seems baked in. Also,as others said,Roberts brought in a lot of outsiders to try to save his bacon when that’s what is getting him fried to start with.
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Independent candidate Greg Orman has a ten point lead over incumbent Sen. Pat Roberts (R) with likely and registered voters in the Kansas Senate race
I don’t often say this, but “Whoo-hoo!”
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In Kansas, oh yeah.
The state can not be as crazy as Brownback and Kobach make it seem to be and it looks like the majority of Kansans want to prove that.
Ultra-conservatism is an extreme and that only attracts the fringe. The experiment is over, is a proven failure and the subjects of the experiment aren’t happy at all that they have been used. There is no sane option to vote for if you are a Republican in Kansas so Orman gets the, we will not vote for Koch policies again, vote.
Hopefully, after Orman wins, he will make the most of the opportunity and impress the voters with good, positive, fair legislation and he defines a clear difference.
The door is wide open and he needs to run through it.
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Almost can say this race is about over.
Absolutely! If Purdue, Cotton, Tillis, and (the big, big prize) if McConnell’s political life goes the way of Ned Stark’s head, expect Republicans to turn “Tea Party” into the worst of pejoratives while Democrats will morph it into a term of endearment.
I dunno, Steve. Taylor was quick to drop out after only seeing a few polls with Orman surging. Also, other Dems were equally as quick to get Taylor out of the race when they realized Orman had a better shot. I can’t believe they’d do that or that Taylor would exit without some pretty strong assurances Orman would definitely caucus with the Democrats. Plus, would Kobach have fought so hard to keep Taylor on the ballot if he thought there was at least a 50-50 chance Orman would caucus with the Republicans? It just seems to me that deals were made, assurances were given, and that which party Orman would caucus with is about as much of a mystery as whether or not Rand Paul will run in '16.
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Sounds like he’ll put his finger into the wind to see which way it’s blowing before he settles downs with a set of beliefs.
Hey, just relating what the guy said.