Discussion: Poll: Majority Of Americans See Nation On The Wrong Track, Believe Things Will Get Worse

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If you have to do the “both sides” shit at least if you say 70% think things are going in the wrong direction, include 70% of those opinions. Both sides would mean 50 - 50 and it is nowhere near that… I know this is AP, but just saying.

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Most Americans think the country is going in the wrong direction and that that’s going to continue for a while. The rest have their heads up their butts.

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Well I don’t know that we’re on the wrong track as bad as the Real Estate surge Bush had, but Like Bush, Donald won’t do the right thing or probably anything if things do start falling.

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There’s a horrible paradox hidden in these opinions and in the shift on the republican side. Sane people think the country is on the wrong track because of trump, plutocrats, corruption and russia. But now the wingnuts think we’re on the wrong track because Mueller and democrats with a majority in the House.

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From the Univ. of Oregon, a part of their Performance Evaluation form

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How would trump measure up?

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Whatever is the calculus…

The situation will improve by Leaps and Bounds when Drumpf is removed from Office

(Think V-E Day type of feelings)

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The problem is always that we also fundamentally disagree on what the right track is, or would be.

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It’s always the 27-28% mark. The same percentage of people in Illinois who voted for Alan Keyes over Barack Obama for Senate. I like to call them the “crazies.”

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I’d bet some of these respondents believe the country is going in the wrong direction due to the Democrats gaining majority status in the House and the Resistance finally getting some teeth in it.

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  • The sun revolves around the earth
  • France is in Asia

Those folks.

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A large majority of Americans say they are pessimistic about the state of the country and few expect things will get better in the year ahead, according to a poll released Tuesday by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

You elect the love child of Daffy Duck and Al Capone and expect any better than this?

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You forgot “birthed in the Great Pumpkin”.

“All they do is fight. If one party thinks it’s good, the other thinks it’s bad. If the president thinks it’s good, the party opposed to him thinks it’s bad,” he said of the nation’s leaders. “They don’t do anything for the people.”

“The party opposed to him”. Nice. I bet he was all in favor of the party opposed to “him” from 2008 to 2016.

To the larger point. I wish the AP would go back 6 months or a year from now and ask these people if their viewpoints have changed w/r/t the economy.

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There is a relatively easy solution. We have the opportunity in 2020. We shouldn’t get on purist high horses and fail to seize the time.

Americans are probably right to believe that things will get worse. The democracy-damaging techniques pioneered in Hungary at the start of this decade have now insinuated themselves into what TI now describes as "flawed democracies," counties complacent about Gini scores way above .40.

Exemplifying this trend, the CPI scores for Hungary and Turkey decreased by eight and nine points respectively over the last six years. At the same time, Turkey was downgraded from “partly free” to “not free” by Freedom House, while Hungary registered its lowest score for political rights since the fall of communism in 1989.

These ratings reflect the deterioration of rule of law and democratic institutions, as well as a rapidly shrinking space for civil society and independent media, in those countries.

The US?

With a score of 71, the United States lost four points since last year, dropping out of the top 20 countries on the CPI for the first time since 2011. The low score comes at a time when the US is experiencing threats to its system of checks and balances as well as an erosion of ethical norms at the highest levels of power.

In layman terms, Trump and everybody around him is corrupt.

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Which, if we can handle it, may be a good thing.

If we can handle it, i.e. clean up the mess before it gets worse. The accession of Trump has exposed all the crooks, thugs, and crazies better than all the SPLC reports we ever had. They can no longer hide behind the mask of a stolen “conservatism” (in which they never really believed anyway). We know who they are. We know where they are. We know their excuses and tactics.

All we need is the resolve, to show whether or not America is really “exceptional”, or if our cycle is ending.

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"As long as people are making money,” she said. “As long as there’s jobs.”

which never happened under democratic presidents, no siree - according to the republican voters and the media that ‘informs’ them

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I never got the whole Wrong/Right track polling. Someone could think we are on the wrong track because gay people are getting married, or because we aren’t locking enough children up at the border. Others could think its because we do nothing about climate change, etc. How these numbers suggest support or lack of support for any candidate or party makes no sense to me.

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https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Crazification_factor

Obama vs. Alan Keyes. Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshit crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him.[5] They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement. Hell, even like 5% of Democrats voted for him. That’s crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% crazification factor in any population.

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