Like Anne Frank?
Disgusting.
feelings about World War II history
Who knew history was based on feelings?
Right? Apparently for the conservatives of the world, feelings, whims, and fantasies
arising from either paranoia or propaganda are more and more often replacing not only history, but the reality of the present and what science posits to be the likely future.
Poland Tries To Frame PMâs âJewish Perpetratorsâ Remark As Frank Debate
This asshole now wants to debate the virtue of Anne Frank?
âOf course itâs not going to be punishable, not going to be seen as criminal, to say that there were Polish perpetrators, as there were Jewish perpetrators, as there were Russian perpetrators, as there were Ukrainian, not only German perpetrators,â Morawiecki said in response.
Hmm which one of these is not like the other?
Polish perpetrators
Jewish perpetrators
Russian perpetrators
Ukrainian perpetrators
German perpetrators
Poles and Lithuanians suffered greatly under Soviet domination. Perhaps it was divine retribution for their role in the âFinal Solution.â
Polandâs conservative government has said the law is needed to protect Poland from being slandered
And that answers the question of what the grandparents and great-grandparents of Polish conservatives were doing during the war and occupation.
So the gist of the new law is:
Anyone who suggests Poles assisted the Nazis will be persecuted ⌠you know, in the same manner that the Nazis persecuted anyone who made public statements critical of the Third Reich.
âŚas Trump might say, âperpetrators on all sidesâ.
Nazi Extermination (murder) Camps:in occupied Poland almost exclusively dedicated to the murder of Jews:
- Auschwitz-Birkenau (in the city of Oswiencim, near Krakow) - 1.1 million prisoners murdered, 90% Jews
- Treblinka (80 km northeast of Warsaw) - 80,000â90,000 prisoners murdered in Camp II, 20,000 prisoners murdered in Camp I
- Belzec (Belzec, near Lubelski) - 600,000 prisoners murdered, 246,922 from the General Government area;
- Sobibor (50 km north of Lodz) - 200,000 prisoners murdered, mostly from the Lodz Ghetto)
- Majdanek (Lublin) - 130,000 prisoners murdered.
There were presumably two main reasons for Polish location:
- logistical - the population of Polish Jews was large so closer location of camps
- cultural - there was little reason to expect trouble from the locals even if the purpose of the camps was discovered..
Poland may not have quite the same need for expiation as Germany but their hands are not so clean of the holocaust that they can avoid valid criticism much less attempt to make it legally libelous.
Wonder where is this anti-semitism in Poland is coming from . I was recently reading about the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, that during the late middle ages, early modern era was one of the largest states in Europe, It covered most of the modern Baltic countries, Poland , Belarus, a big Chunk of Ukraina and a chunk of Russia. And at the time it was the most tolerant country in Europe that is why the Jews ended up there after being chased out of the Balkans and Germany.
Same place where anti-semitism is coming from elsewhere, that is, good old xenophobia. By the time Poland regained independence (after being carved up between Germany, Austria, and Russia), it was probably a lot less tolerant. There was anti-Jewish violence in Poland even after WWII (1946). The Poles are clearly having serious difficulties coming to terms with their past.
The president of the World Jewish Congress, Ronald S. Lauder, issued a statement demanding an âimmediate retraction and apologyâ from Poland. Lauder said that putting Jews in the same category as the other nationalities was ânothing short of an attempt to falsify history that rings of the very worst forms of anti-Semitism and Holocaust obfuscation.â
Also implied in the PMâs statement is the old antisemitic canard that no matter where a Jew lives, he is never a true and loyal resident of that country. Heâs just a Jew.
From Wikipedia:
The Israeli Nazi and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law of 1950, most famously used to prosecute Adolf Eichmann in 1961 and Ivan Demjanjuk in 1986, was originally introduced with the principal purpose of prosecuting Jewish collaborators with the Nazis.[30][31] Between 1951 and 1964, approximately 40 trials were held, mostly of people alleged to have been kapos.[31]
Fifteen are known to have resulted in convictions, but only rough details are available since the records were sealed in 1995 for a period of 70 years from the trial date.[31]
One person was convicted of crimes against humanity, which carried a mandatory death penalty, but the sentence was commuted to imprisonment.[31]
It is a classic move of an oppressive society to name the oppressed as being guilty of the same crimes. It is like Republicans saying there was a black cop involved in a police shooting - in their mind this is proof that it is not really a racial thing, no matter how overwhelming the proof is to the contrary. The fact that there may have been a few Jewish collaborators has nothing to do with the heinous crimes committed against the Jewish people in Poland during the Nazi occupation and bringing it up in this context is anti-Semitic trolling, not opening any kind of open debate.
This is how it looks when the Whiny Right takes over. Of course the Poles were anti-semites. Almost everyone in europe except the jews was antisemites before 1945, and some of them were too. You only criminalize mention of this fact when you want to shut off discussion. You canât have a âfrank debateâ when one side can get the other side put in jail.
At least 2.5 million non-Jewish civilians and soldiers died before the warâs end, according to the United States Holocaust Museum. However, the Nazis also âdrew upon some Polish agencies, such as Polish police forces and railroad personnel, in the guarding of ghettos and the deportation of Jews to the killing centers.â Individual Poles, the museum writes, âoften helped in the identification, denunciation, and hunting down of Jews in hiding, often profiting from the associated blackmail, and actively participated in the plunder of Jewish property.â
A notorious example of Polish persecution of Jews is the 1941 massacre at Jedwabne, during which Polish villagers reportedly herded hundreds of Jewish women and children in a barn and set it on fire
Besides all Republicans and Stein supporters, you mean?