Discussion for article #237829
A confederate museum? Seriously? Why, for the love of everything that is good, would they build a museum for the biggest embarrassment in this nation’s history? And, for the record, I didn’t capitalize confederate on purpose. It doesn’t deserve the respect.
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The Confederate flag flies at full-staff?
Shame.
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I am so sorry that these families, who have lost someone so dear and near, have to be thrust into this national spotlight, over which they have no control or choice in participating in. It is the final straw of indignity.
OT but TPM that 5 Points beer ad is so fucking annoying I could scream. Can you please cease and desist? Jesus F’in Christ.
My heart aches when I see the expressions upon the faces of the Pickney family. And to know Mrs. Pickney and daughter were in another section of the Church while the massacre took place is just unbelievable. I pray that the Pickney family will someday realize that their loved one’s life was not lived in vain. Rev Pickney’s death has brought forth a new level of expectations for our entire nation and I will be forever grateful to all of his enormous deeds. May my brother, Clementa Pickney forever rest in Peace.
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Because it is history. History is not always good. There are Holocaust museums all over the world. There is a Holocaust museum in Germany. Does not mean we celebrate the Holocaust? No. But it’s part of history. That’s what museums are for.
But you restrict it to museums and private settings, you don’t put this stuff on the state capital building grounds, etc.
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? Where do you see it?
So the embarrassment doesn’t get flushed down the memory hole and repeated?
Museums aren’t award shows; they can present the terrible in a way that moves future generations to say never again and to try their best to do what it takes to fulfill that pledge. They can be part of the solution. What’s your plan for replacing that?
Holocaust museums commemorate the memories of the victims of the Holocaust, and serve to remind us of how and why the Holocaust happened. A Confederate museum is analogous to a Nazi museum celebrating the heritage of the perpetrators of the Holocaust.
We have a Vietnam War Memorial, even though that was was totally wrong. Our involvement and what we did in Vietnam was a disgrace. But a lot of our guys died, and they deserve a memorial.
Again, you can’t deny history. And a memorial in no way celebrates anything. And at the Holocaust museum, there are plenty of photos and artifacts of the perpetrators, as well as a lot of swastikas.
I’m all for taking that flag off any government building, it does not belong there. I am not for rewriting history, be it the good or the bad parts.
The article makes several references to moving the flag to “a museum”. Albesure referred specifically to a “confederate” museum, and your reply to albesure doesn’t make a distinction. When I hear “confederate museum” I assume we’re talking about a place dedicated to doing exactly what you say we shouldn’t: rewriting and denying history.
There are already many Confederate Museums, including one in Charleston. One can visit if one wants. Museum visits are optional.
In fact, that museum even says on it’s home page they chose that location since it was a former marketplace. A market where all kinds of food and goods were sold, and specifically a market where slaves were NOT sold.
No, we should not ban museums of any kind. This is totally different than a flag flying on a government building. There is a First Amendment.
It is on the comments site, when I scroll down if I don’t put my cursor way off to the left or margins it opens a scrolling 5 points beer ad that has to be closed before I can scroll any further down.
Hmmn. Using Firefox with Adblock Plus that does not happen to me. (I also use NoScript, but on this site I allow all, and only the site itself shows up in NoScript’s list of script-running sites here, so I don’t think that’s your issue.)
Do you use Chrome? During the short time Acorn.tv couldn’t stream reliably with Firefox and bade me use Chrome instead, I did find that ad-blocking for Chrome was noticeably lame. Execrable, in fact. Just like Google itself. (Don’t Be Evil is or was their official motto, irony of ironies, what with their wringing every piece of personal information they’re able to out of everything done on their sites. DuckDuckGo searches give much more relevant results than Google’s anyway, and they do not track users. Now if I could just find an adequate substitute for their Earth and Maps, I could avoid Google entirely.)
It’s been so long since I’ve had to use IE that I have no idea how well they can cope with intrusive ads. And if you’re stuck with Safari, I doubt even Dog could help you.
I use Chrome. Will look into my ad blocking. Thanks!
Okay, seriously? If you believe this museum is there so we can learn from mistakes, and is as poignant as a holocaust museum, then I know a Nigerian prince who can use your help. This museum is there to glorify the confederacy, and TO PRAISE IT! HUMILITY IS NO WHERE TO BE FOUND! So, spare me the self-righteous indignation. I say again, proudly: A CONFEDERATE MUSEUM? SERIOUSLY? WHY, FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING THAT IS GOOD, WOULD THEY BUILD A MUSEUM FOR THE BIGGEST EMBARRASSMENT IN THIS NATION’S HISTORY?
I’m not suggesting banning museums. I’m saying that the museum you linked to bears little resemblance, in intent or impact to, for example, the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum. Whitney Plantation, or some of the exhibits of the soon to be opened National Museum of African American History and Culture might be appropriate analogies, but not the Confederate Museum of Charleston.
When you learn how to stop shouting and act like a grown-up, perhaps others will be willing to explain to you some of the matters which you pretend to want to know. Until then, I’ll leave you to converse at the kids’ table.
Says the person who was condescending right from the word go. You know that whole point a finger and three point back at you thing? That applies to you. To say that this museum was ill-conceived and doesn’t exist to point out a mistake in history, but instead praises it; when its very existence laughs in the face of, and is offensive to the very people it persecuted, isn’t some sort of outrageous statement. It is, instead, a valid opinion to which I’m entitled. But, I suppose if someone says something you disagree with, to be a condescending prick is acceptable, as long as one doesn’t shout. I stand by my statement.