How do you “adapt” to being bankrupted by medical bills, which is happening to thousands of Americans?
I’m not sensing much compassion in your comment towards the millions people who are struggling. “Adapting” to a system of Capitalism which increasingly values profit over people and our environment is a fools errand.
My motives are that I want the Dem leadership to be more concerned with the country than they are about their own prerogatives.
I get tired of people falsely claiming/pretending that Pelosi is some sort of genius at national politics. There is simply no evidence to support this – and lots of evidence to the contrary. I’m sorry if telling you that she is a political hack is a problem for you – but I can’t change the fact that she is nothing more than a life-long professional politician who got her seat through political connections, and keeps it because she is supported by the San Francisco Democratic machine. She never even held public office before running for Congress – she was just a Democratic Party official in California (and as far as I can tell, “party official” was her only paying job before congress).
Most people are completely unaware of Pelosi’s background – and her lack of any relevant experience for the position of presumptive leader of the Democratic Party in its entirety. :Leading the House Democratic Caucus is not the same thing.
Why does he have to goad you?
If he is why don’t you oblige?
What is the downside?
Mrs. Pelosi wants the Dems to believe that she is playing some sort of n-d chess so they should not pester her about impeaching Trump. Likewise she thinks that Trump is playing some sort of game to goad her into impeaching Trump so he derives some advantage from it and so she is not going to impeach him.
Idiotic.
You are looking weak, out to destroy any chances the Dems have for 2020.
So, the way you’re weighting the variables for democratic action or policy is:
health care legislation - 0
sane tax policy - 0
immigration policy, including support for dreamers - 0
background checks for gun sales - 0
nuclear non-proliferation - 0
foreign policy - 0
federal judges - 0
congressional oversight - 0
impeachment 100, but only because you can’t score a zillion
Look, I’m all for impeachment if it opens legal doors for getting information, but we have to consider what happens when McConnell gets his hands on it. For anyone who ever thought the senate couldn’t possibly refuse to take up a SCOTUS nomination, who thought the kavanaugh nomination was dead, who thought an extremely unpopular tax cut would become law, who thought that their blockade of the investigation of russian interference would earn them a major rebuke, who that that McConnell would take a hit on ANYTHING AT ALL, I have news for ya - he can fuck us over during the senate trial just as much as anything else. On the other hand, he can’t do anything but whine about house investigations because he has zero control over it.
It’s one thing to disagree with the dem approach. It’s another to bellow that they aren’t doing anything and to effectively encourage people to not vote because they’re frustrated. “My way or the highway” on one action that may or may not advance our cause is no better than the purity pony approach.
On the table off the table, is impeachment still IN the constitution? Grandma Pelosi wants to be in control without having to take charge. And she avoids conflict at all costs. Yeah, she might use the phrase ‘on the table’ (That phrase still rings in my ear from the question of whether the Bush administration committed war crimes.) but she will walk away from the table unless she is pushed back to it. The matter of impeachment isn’t about the next election cycle; it’s whether the US constitution remains the source of the rule of law.
We struggled. Lost everything. Made our way back.
Vote for Sanders. I’m sure health care coverage will vastly improve.
What I do not like are the people who got screwed so they support a candidate who will never make it better, while screwing many more innocent people.
Like that poor child in Ohio. Or the asylum seekers.
Really? You make me sick.
oh cervantes…
don’t you understand that when the Democrats have complete control over the entire process – control the agenda, control the schedule for hearings and witnesses and reports, control the wording of articles of impeachment, control when and if votes are taken, control when and if articles of impeachment are sent to the Senate, and can even control who gets put on a select impeachment committee, that means that the GOP has complete control of the narrative.
I mean, its so obvious.
Yes, and those rules can change at any time: Unless otherwise ordered by the Senate, the rules of procedure and practice in the Senate when sitting on impeachment trials shall govern the procedure and practice of the committee so appointed.
I did not see (in an admittedly cursory perusal of the rules) any indication that the rules required more than a majority vote to enact changes. You could make a safe bet that if this is the case, that McConnell and his minions would change those rules to suit their purposes.
Nancy Pelosi, if you don’t start Impeachment hearings, then you don’t deserve to be Majority Speaker. Your thinking gives Trump a free pass. If the American people can hear and see though hearings all the Crimes Trump has committed they will demand he be Impeached. But you at least need to start and have Impeachment Hearings.
And generally speaking, i don’t care about your motivations or interpretations (which appear to be formed without first-hand knowledge of the individuals involved). What I do care about are outcomes, and your constant attacks on the “least bad option” available appear to be causing additional harm by contributing to, and reenforcing the Republicans’ narrative and framing - Dems in Disarray! Dems Are UnAmerican! And on, and on, and on.
Now, I’ve never called you a troll, and because my interpretation currently is that the “horseshoe” theory is correct, and those on the far left and far right have a lot more in common than they like to admit, and adopt similar tactics and similar justiications for them (Basically, “the ends justify the means”). Whether you are actually of the far left, or just so frustrated that you don’t see the harm you are causing remains to be determined, but given the sheer volume and content of your postings, at a minimum you do seem incredibly frustrated. I hope you can reflect a bit on how things are playing out and perhaps tone things down a bit.
Mayhaps the news from a few minutes ago that the first ten years of Donnie’s tax returns have finally leaked will help convince you that the Democrats do currently seem to have a better handle on the framing of all this than Donnie Dorko currently does? And if so, I hope that would make you happy?
Genug, I keep promising myself I’d stay out of the “meta conversations”. Can’t somebody start another pun thread!?!
#TPMPunBrigade
that sounds incremental. Like we’re going to refer to “constitutional remedies” and “Article 1, section 2 powers” without actually saying the “I” word.
if that is what you mean, then I disagree.
But if you mean we just open an impeachment investigation, and call it that — that we don’t have to send articles of impeachment to the Senate ASAP (i.e wholesale change) – then I’m all for that. Its what I’ve been saying, in fact.
But as you have probably noticed, I’m all about messaging, and framing and narratives – and “refinements” in the absence of strong framing/narratives/messaging is useless. Or in this case, possibly worse than useless, because “refinements” suggest a further blurring of lines and priorities in the name of “unity”.
its not a stretch when you have principles
And are Holier than thou…
But if the house Impeaches Donald Trump, it still stands as an Impeachment, and in the History Books it will say Impeached by the House, just like what happened to Bill Clinton. The big differences between Bill Clinton and Donald Trump is that Clinton got Impeached because he lied about have sex in the White House. Donald Trump on the other hand would be Impeached because he Obstructed Justice and Conspiring with the Russians to win an election, which is much much worse than having sex with a intern. For those who say, but Trump was cleared of collusion by Mueller, but Mueller couldn’t get all the evidence because of the obstruction by Trump and his surrogates, besides Impeachment in the Congress isn’t the same as crimes committed in the legal sense, Impeachment is a Political outcome and of which Trump would be found guilty of Conspiring with Russians…
Self-centered bullcrap is a principle? What are you doing for women and minorities, btw?
Nadler
But that wasn’t the question. What you said above was:
Formal impeachment investigations will hand the GOP the narrative
I still don’t see why this is necessarily true. Are you suggesting that if investigative hearings are televised, the Republicans will necessarily control the “narrative”?
can you show me one instance on your list where the Democratic House leadership took a principled progressive stand, rather than try to appease things like “big business”? That’s what I mean by “stand for something” – its not just about “being better than the Republicans”.
The closest thing I can come up with (not on your list) is a woman’s right to choose.
The problem is (and you can see it here) is that the people who support Pelosi and her ilk demand that Democratic Party activists do the work – but are told to shit down after the election. Activism changes election results – and it only happens when activists are energized. What Pelosi is doing enervates the activist base instead – Donald Trump was what energized the base in 2018; the Democratic Party leadership was, to put it mildly, uninspiring.
First off, if people choose not to vote, don’t blame me. I haven’t told anyone not to vote – ever.
And I think its crucial to understand that “not voting” isn’t driven by frustration – its simply a lack of motivation. Because Democratic votes are not driven by fear and bigotry like GOP voters are, they need something to vote for -- and if there isn’t one, they might not bother getting off the couch on their own initiative. And if a party activist isn’t available to call them to remind them to vote, or to offer them a ride to the polls, that’s dozens of potential votes lost for each activist who can’t be bothered this cycle.
well, I’m the sole support of an oppressed minority.
myself. being queer and all.
The role of the Chief Justice in an impeachment trial is not set in stone. The procedure has been invoked so infrequently that much remains uncertain. He may decide certain questions with the advice of Senate parliamentarians, but decisions he makes can likely be over-ruled by a vote of the Senate (and the margin required for such a vote is not certain, either).
In these circumstances, it is a fair bet that a vigilant schemer such as McConnell will not be completely side-lined during an impeachment trial.