You vote for the candidates you have, not for the candidates you’d like to have.
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Actually, you can -
Pelosi insisted on inserting a “No” option on the ballot for any member wishing to express their opposition to her; she’s going to demonstrable lengths to allow any opposition to vent, then she’ll know how many she’ll need to mollify ahead of Jan. 3.
The shrewdest and bestest House Speaker in my lifetime, hands down.
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Okay, but can “No” be Speaker if they win?
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Yeah, nobody wants to talk about the money, even though that is the root of Pelosi’s power over the Democratic caucus.
Best Democratic House Speaker that money can buy. “Prodigious fundraiser”. Wonder how she spends it?
“Money talks, bullshit walks.”
Money. Follow it.
But don’t feed the troll…
No democracy, no justice.
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Maybe sometimes that’s what people say when they can’t (or are too lazy to) make an argument?
Just a guess.
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Would be a significant improvement on the poltroons we’ve had holding the gavel recently.
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geez george. your batting average for 2018 is 0 for the world. try some batting practice on fox.
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At this point, our pal @georgeh has to know that most folks here aren’t buying what he’s peddling. And he’s just repeating the same couple of lines over and over.
So he either likes the sound of his keyboard, or the reactions he baits. Which pretty much means “troll”.
Or a Perl script gone rogue and hooked up to a buggy Eliza implementation. Hard to tell.
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I am disappointed that @cameron_joseph did not clarify the levels of support or lack thereof a member could exhibit on the floor during the floor vote for speaker. After Pelosi wins her uncontested election as SOTH in the D caucus, D members will then either vote for Pelosi on the floor, vote for Kevin McCarthy, for some non-existent candidate, or vote present. Anything but a vote for Pelosi as a D is politically stupid. Save that, anything but voting present is political suicide. Voting present is the escape hatch that Pelosi has left open for the insurrection.
What Joseph fails to point out is voting present gives Pelosi opponents 32 protests, given the current 234-201 split in the 216th HOR, before the rebels hand the Speaker’s gavel to McCarthy.
Can’t say it better than that. Moulton’s Malcontents have no endgame nor did they ever. There is no opponent to Pelosi other than McCarthy. Opposing Pelosi is a bad idea if you don’t have the minerals to back up your threats. If these idiots who have vowed to oppose Pelosi decide to bring their weak ass hand of a pair of fives to the floor they will just be cast aside unless they want to make a continued public nuisance of themselves by voting for McCarthy. This insurrection is from the right and has been ginned up by right wing media outlets like Politico. The real fiasco waiting in the wings is what happens to Moulton & Tim Ryan after the floor vote for Speaker. Those idiots are readying for seats on the House select committee on insolence.
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Still waving that little toy knife at the R’s .357 magnum pointed at your face. Let us know how that works out.
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You may be right but, even so: (1) That doesn’t mean he’s wrong; and (2) Simple-minded abuse isn’t going to prove him wrong, either.
(Not suggesting your remarks are abusive.)
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I have a vague recollection of that, but given her age, it’s hardly a concession.
What is too often forgotten in liberal circles is how unlikely this take over was and how hard it will be to sustain. Because liberal refused to vote in 2010, Republicans were able to gerrymander the House districts so tight that Democrats need 55% of the vote to hold the majority. Given liberal voting patterns (and from everything I hear and see, this has changed) it is hard to imagine this majority lasting more than 4 years.
The sad thing is that the one track of the one-track mind isn’t totally wrong, but by prostrating himself in supine worship before this one tree in all the forest, to the exclusion of every other tree, every other time, every other day, he makes his message rote, banal, and ultimately without audience or worth.
If all a person can focus on is the minor, long-term ills of the Democratic Party, and the fact that they are not all pure and clean and white as the driven snow, while that thing sits in the Oval Office, they just are not worth listening to. Back in the day, we had Firedoglake to isolate these bozos, something like a political PETA.
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What is your alternative “georgeh,” a vote for the Republican candidate?
It would be nice if Democrats did not so easily fall in line with the Republicans who have tried to demonize Pelosi for the last decade. Just think about why they do that. It would not be the case if she was an ineffective Speaker. It could be because she is the most effective Speaker in decades and the Republicans don’t like to be run over by any group lead by a woman.
That is democracy and that promotes justice.
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Their masters: ego, ambition, white male arrogance
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The only way they can defeat Pelosi is to vote for McCarthy on the House floor. That will be an instant career suicide. If they all vote for Mickey Mouse and McCarthy does get more votes than Pelosi, he still can’t be the speaker because it has to be a majority not plurality.
What they are hoping for is that in scenario such as that, Pelosi will withdraw and someone new will come forward. The problem is, it will be free for all and weaken the eventual winner, right at the time when we need a strong leader to fight Drumpf.
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No, of course not. I am simply pointing out how Pelosi wields the power that she does, and why no one is challenging her. Follow the money.
It isn’t because she has a magical power or that there are not other members that could do a better job as Speaker than she can. It is because she has the money.
And her benefactors will get what they pay for.
I am talking about the money trail in House Politics, which nobody else here is doing. And if you actually read the comments in these threads, almost all of them repeat the same lines and ideas over and over again.
The sad thing is that I am right, and that it easier to attack me than to face the facts of how Pelosi wields the power that she does. She should have stepped-down so others could step-up, but as long as she has the money to buy her votes, she is going to do that, and nobody is going to challenge her because nobody else has the money.
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Why do you assume that members are voting for her because of “money” and not because they think she is an effective Speaker?
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Because “Money talks, bullshit walks.”
There are other members who could be better House Speakers in 2018 than Nancy Pelosi, and who would also like to be Speaker. If she stepped down, there would immediately be others who would run for the position. The possibility was that if she did not win the Speakership on the first vote, that she would remove herself from the race and let new leadership get elected. But as long as she controls the purse strings, nobody else can afford to challenge her.
So nobody does. How could they?