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And this is why I love Nancy…
Is this going to have any positive effect on actual violence against women, or is it just posturing for a demographic?
I suppose NFL players can be considered role models, and cracking down on their off-field behavior might be expected to trickle down to the sensibilities of fans regarding violence toward women.
OTOH, when I think of NFL players, I don’t think about what they do off the field. There are a few who are notable for community involvement, and some who are notable for less desirable antics, but usually what they do on the field is how they are defined for me.
I don’t see why NFL players employment should be held hostage in a different way from employment for the rest of us. Most folks don’t get fired over allegations of abuse in their private lives. Why does the NFL get held to a different standard?
Yeah, fuck due process. Sentence first, verdict afterwards.
On the other hand, Goodell should have time to prepare a defense after an investigation is done. Due process definitely called for there.
Oh, and when some bankster blatantly defrauds your company town, they definitely need due process before we call for them to be sat down (because it’s so much harder to replace a greedy moron than an athletic moron).
Funny how the only time a politician thinks it’s safe to do away with due process for rich people is when they’re black athletes.
I deplore what this (likely jackass) is accused of, but give me a fucking break.
Well, they’re not winning with him playing, so the 49ers might as well suspend him with pay.
I love my Rep, Pelosi. But, I respectfully disagree. If he is innocent, then he would’ve been punished for doing nothing. Due process applies to all. The only instances where someone should be pulled off the job is if the crime they’re accused of is related to their job. For example, a police officer being assigned to administrative duty while being investigated for a shooting, or an accountant being suspended while under suspicion of embezzlement.
But, after the crime has been confirmed - then I’d agree with Pelosi and send the guy packing. The NFL has a lot of leverage to offer by taking a firm stand against illegal activity by players.
The NFL gets held to a higher standard because it is in the entertainment industry. Public image is everything. If that image is tarnished then the property becomes less valuable. How many people do you suppose live vicariously through sports, soap operas, movies, etc.? If the NFL doesn’t take it seriously, then it has nobody to blame when its fans, particularly future fans, don’t take the NFL as a serious pasttime. As far as due process is concerned, your job status is not protected by any due process unless you are fortunate enough to have grievance procedure such as the NFL’s union contract gives its players. Even if he didn’t do the crime he has no more right to his job than granted by his contract. For most of the workers in America you should learn the meaning of the phrase “employment at will” and it don’t include due process no matter how unfairly or falsely you were accused. I might be able to get you unemployment, but you can kiss your job good bye.
As you said, the NFLPA (despite it’s near total impotence), does have grievance procedures. Everyone should, but that’s a whole other story. I don’t really care what ill befalls this clown though. I just don’t want to hear from ANY politician that hasn’t called for the immediate resignation of every bankster (by name) in America.
Playing MacDonald is all about the 49’er brand, the product: it’s all about violence, baby.
When Gavin Newsom stepped out in front of the mic to demand that Ray MacDonald be punished before any charges have been made against this young man, he demonstrated HIS lack of fitness for public office.
However, this is San Francisco, a city with a long record for questionable politics, where fitness has NEVER been an issue, so Ms Pelosi felt no guilt when she pushed to the head of the line of the lynch-mob Left’s political brigade with her demands that this young man be punished, only professional shame that she let this political rookie Newsom beat her to the punch!!!
Now that the politicians have jumped into the fray with their “Hang 'em first, we’ll sort it out later” Jim Crow mentality, fueled by the “unbiased media” pressure, you know that the SJ DA is going to file charges for political cover from the Ca dems, in spite of any evidence to the contrary, and “Let 'em sort it out at trial…”
Has anybody dug up the old YouTube videos of Ms Pelosi’s comments when she was under investigation for misconduct in office, and when she was asked to step aside, before any formal charges were made against her… , that was a lot different conversation than she is taking against Mr MacDonald today…
Politicians…don’t you just love them…
Be grateful that Mr.York has stepped out in front with the first bit of sanity in this public discourse against Mr MacDonald… kind of like Gary Cooper in High Noon…
But count on it that many more NFL players will be dragged out for media lynchings before this chaos has run it’s course…some deserving and some not… and then there will be the NBA and MLB before this is over…
Your bias is showing. Let’s be fair, ALL politics is questionable regardless of the location. And conservatives are often at the front of other lynch-mob lines. This is what many politicians (of all stripes) do. It’s never a healthy response.
I don’t know what city you are from, but this is San Francisco we are talking about, where middle of the roaders are treated as right-wing extremists. Right-wing candidates were often beaten by the crowds and occasionally hung right there in Union Square!!!
The SF Left are bare-knuckled and passionate about their causes and do nothing half-way, not even their corruption. And they apologize for none of it. They leave that for the other guys…
And frankly Ms Pelosi herself would slap you soundly, at least verbally if not physically in this political climate, for the insult that any Republican would somehow measure up to a SF Democrat… Abusing the Right in SF is an art form, not a misdemeanor…,
Really? You have proof of this? I find it rather amazing that you think right-wing candidates have been lynched in Union Square. When? Who? Which state are you from, and where do you get your information about this?
Labor rallies in Union Square were quite often boisterous affairs, when they were legal in SF…The likes of Dennis Kearney, a labor agitator who profused that “a little judicious hanging is the best course to pursue the capitalists…” in 1877, and often pondered “whether it would be better to hang, shoot or cut the capitalists to pieces…” Orators and candidates who SF Labor found offensive were often shouted down from the dais in Union Square., and pelted w eggs and tomatoes and stones and beer bottles, sometimes empty and sometimes not. It was James Casey who was hung, in Portsmouth Square by a vigilante group after a violent argument with a political rival left the rival dead.
And it was no less a SF icon than Charles de Young of SF Chronicle fame who tried to assassinate Mayor Isaac Kalloch in 1879 over a political dispute. De Young shot the mayor down in front of his house when the mayor took a position that de Young and the local unions found offensive…
These items are a matter of record, but there have been anecdotal stories over the years as well, related to me by people like former mayor Joseph Alioto and his family members, former governor Pat Brown, and Willie Brown and Wilkes Bashford and noted California historian and story-teller Kevin Starr, the daughters and family members of former SF mayor P H McCarthy, and while they were still alive four members of the ‘06 survivors’ club. These guys have stories that would make a Chicago politician blush…The Cal Left here have history that goes back before the quake, and they are proud of it, all of it… No shrinking violets here…
You’re living in the 1800’s? For God’s sake, can you make a comment that is relevant to the times? (Psssst: it’s 2014.) What a joke.
Hey, while we’re at it, if you’re Jewish, for goodness sake, stay away from Germany! They put jews in concentration camps and starve 'em to death or place them in gas chambers to die. The Germans are evil - EVIL I tell’s ya!!!
You’re absolutely right, You should stay away from Germany…and they probably won’t miss you in San Francisco either…
Oh, and if you’re Christian, then stay away from Rome. They feed Christians to the lions there. Seriously. The Romans are evil Christian-haters.
I live in San Francisco. I have a Republican friend and neighbor who is active in politics here in the city (e.g., hosting supervisor candidates at his house during campaigns). He and his lovely family seem to be coping just fine. Welcome to the 21st century.
You have a friend? How does that happen?
Somebody alert the media!!!
You know a Republican!!!
Does that make you multi-cultural or just trendy?
You let one move into the neighborhood?
Aren’t you afraid the property values will go down…
So let’s see where this began: I made the comment that Gavin Newsom embarrassed Nancy Pelosi with his attacks on Ray MacDonald.
You took offense, said “Let’s be Fair…” - your first fabrication - and tried to switch a fact with a hypothetical, that somehow Republicans are just as bad as the actions of these two bozos, and that somehow makes these unsubstantiated public attacks alright…
Are you flacking for Newsom or Pelosi…
By the way, when your neighbor hosts another fundraiser, surprise him, make a substantial contribution… be a citizen, and a good neighbor… and do yourself some karmic good…