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Good speech but will not satisfy the nutter crowd.
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No declaration of martial law, no FEMA camp incarcerations, no Muslim Games. Major disappointment.
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a little disappointed that is was sorta framed as somehow a foreign problem⌠he shouldâve called out the domestic terrorists like the shooters in CO, AZ and TX etc
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Solid speech which lays out the Obama anti-terror strategy.
What I like here is unlike Bush telling us to go shopping, Obama tasks everyone with a role in this fight:
âMuslim leaders here and around the globe have to continue working with us to decisively and unequivocally reject the hateful ideology that groups like ISIL and Al Qaeda promote. To speak out against not just acts of violence, but also those interpretations of Islam that are incompatible with the values of religious tolerance, mutual respect, and human dignity.â
âBut just as it is the responsibility of Muslims around the world to root out misguided ideas that lead to radicalization, it is the responsibility of all Americans, of every faith, to reject discrimination. It is our responsibility to reject religious tests on who we admit into this country. Itâs our responsibility to reject proposals that muslim-americans should somehow be treated differently. Because when we travel down that road, we lose. That kind of divisiveness, that betrayal of our values plays into the hands of groups like ISIL. Muslim-americans are our friends and our neighbors. Our co-workers. Our sports heroes. And, yes, they are our men and women in uniform who are willing to die in defense of our country. We have to remember that.â
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No one expected the Muslim Inquisition?
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heâs trying to have some semblance of a peaceful Christmas.
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Just want to emphatically support everyone whoâs commented, and to add that you should check out the response to the London Tube stabbing. Some bystander started berating the stabber as the police tased him and got him subdued: âYou ainât no Muslim, bruv!â Google the phrase, the whole society is impressed with it as an expression of ordinary Muslims who donât want and reject the crazy. Our own society could learn a lesson from it.
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to his credit, Bush 2 delivered an âall Muslims are not alikeâ speech during the post 9/11 chaos. As of today, a major problem is that no one major (Graham, Kasich and Pataki donât count.) on the other side of the aisle seems willing to give that type of address.
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The nutter crowd wonât be satisfied no matter what. Because nutter. And Obama.
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thank you for that.
iâve bookmarked the Google page, because I have a feeling that someone on Yahoo comments will need to get reminded of that reality.
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Correct, it was more the local House Reps and some Senators that did that.
Christie is borderline âmajorâ, and he is sane on that topic. But as you say the rest are just spewing nonsense for ratings.
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After the Paris attacks, when most people were panicking, a small English town modified their âWelcome to XYZâ sign to read: âWelcome to XYZ (except for you ISIS lot. You can fuck off.)â
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Thank you, Matt. Hereâs the said vid.
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Meanwhile, the talking heads on FOX News and the inflammatory rhetoric-prone POTUS wannabes within the GOP continue their mantra of âthe only good Muslim is a dead Muslimâ.
If all Muslims are inherently evil, bent on undermining Western Civilization, then what the hell were we trying to achieve in Iraq? What would be our end game in Syria?
What did Bush hope to solve by removing Saddam from power (besides searching for mythical WMDs, providing no-bid overpriced contracts to Haliburton, and protecting U.S. oil interests)?
In the myriad of Arabic nations within which we are involved militarily, are we supposed to convert every Muslim to Christianity? Or should we just line up every Muslim man, woman, and child and shoot them?
Did all of our soldiers die in a vain effort to bring civility to Middle Eastern lands that inherently cannot be civilized? Because that is the only logical conclusion one can draw if we assume that anyone who follows the Islamic religion is our enemy and wants to destroy us.
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But thatâs akin to saying JEB is still a major player. As that link shows, if it wasnât for Rubioâs current position, the GOP-establishment wing and all-could be joining the Federalists and the Whigs in regards to oblivion.
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After the speech, I heard a newsreader on that left-wing news organization NPR refer to Al Jazeero, before quickly correcting herself. Do you think thatâs what they call it around the office? How could someone possibly make that mistake otherwise?
About half an hour later, I heard Ron Christie say Americans are scared. We are? Iâm not. And I live not only in NYC but in Harlem. When I go to the bodega (okay, technically not a bodega, but thatâs what little food shops are called here), everyone who works there is Arab. Should I stop shopping there? Call the police? Every Friday afternoon, yellow cabs are double-parked in my neighborhood because all the cabbies are going to mosque. Should I report them? Iâm so scared.
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That would not have been a good idea. The topic was the most recent attack and the potential foreign influence, which as he said was the deadliest terror attack on US soil since 9/11. That was what needed to be spoken about politically.
Domestic terrorists are certainly a problem and are being closely watched, as they should.
He called for a lot of people on no-fly lists to not be able to get weapons. MANY of them are domestic white supremacist types. So he actually addressed themâŚwithout actually saying the words domestic terrorists. Brilliant way to put the Republicans and the NRA on the spot.
Plus, I would note that this attack was by US citizens. So that is in fact a domestic attack, but with foreign influence.
And the reality is that there have been far more deaths in the US from overseas Muslim terrorists than domestic terrorists. Domestic white supremacists indeed want to shoot up some people. But the foreign ones want to set off a nuke in a city. Big difference. I live in NYC and am in no way âafraidâ of an attack, but I also want these assholes monitored as much as possible.
But yes, they ALL need to be watched.
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Yes, I very much remember that â and I was actually pretty happy with him for doing it. However, he then went about being so damned swaggery-cowboy guns-a-blazing that his message was totally lost â plus he never revisited the issue again (that I can remember).
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Or, conversely, they are majors exactly because they are those who will never give such an addressâŚ
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