So you reply to me, instead of the person who brought up Ferguson first? If that person says nothing, I leave it be. Please explain why you did not tell THAT person to stay on topic?
Tell you what, I just flagged the first comment as off topic, and hopefully BOTH comments disappear. If only his (or hers) does, I will edit my comment to contain only the part about Cleveland. If their comment stays, I will leave mine.
Ferguson was murky? Please explain. With so much information now in the public domain making a criminal of the prosecutor using false witnesses knowingly, you are obligated to explain what is murky about Ferguson.
PleaseâŚletâs not get this thread going that direction againâŚ
Yeah, Iâm not about to rehash that whole issue. So many of you have so much perfect knowledge about exactly what happened. Iâm just disappointed that none of you volunteered to testify before the grand jury.
Then stop trying to hijack this article by pointing your finger and trying to insult others into responding to you, OK?
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We werenât among those whom the prosecutor chose to allow to testify although he knew they werenât there probably because he knew we wouldnât back up his story. /end semi-snark
Flagged, but in case it is not deleted, the prosecutor presented that witness as discredited, playing a tape of her interrogation where prosecutors called her a liar who was claiming things that were impossible, and also a racist. You left that part out? Why? She actually HURT Wilsonâs case. But all people who claimed to see it were allowed to testify. That included numerous people who testified against Wilson, who admitted on the stand that they did not actually see what happened. So they lied too, and the prosecutor knew it. He just allowed all witnesses to testify. Had he not, the FOX crowd and the people here would say the Prosecutor was ânot letting people testifyâ⌠Youâd be complaining just as loud.
They should have all been prosecuted too, but that would not be wise politically.
Now, stay on topic. If your post gets deleted, I will delete mine. But I will not watch completely bogus info be posted. This is not FOX News.
Right, thatâs why he backed up. Duh.
Officer Wilson was hassling two young men for walking on the street. By your own account he did not make the connection to the robbery until after that. You are conflating the facts of the situationâŚrhR these two were in fact the suspects with what Officer Wilson thought he was doing when he first dealt with them.( Put another way, if Wilson realized from the beginning that they were the suspects, what was he doing telling them to get off the street?) And if I recall correctly, Brownâs friend was placatory along the lines of telling the officer that they were just going over to that building but Brown said something. Brownâs the civilian, heâs entitled. Wilson is constrained by his job as a cop. In my estimation, Wilson lost it.
And just how does one man in a car confront two people on the street and expect to keep them there? And how safe and/or effective is it going to be if Wilson escalates the confrontation without backup? Thatâs incompetence. My suggestion risks losing the suspects but it is far less likely to escalate the situation over the theft of some cigars.
We pay the police to deal with certain types of situations⌠young men walking down the street is not high on that list. Catching strong arm robbers is and so is stopping individuals believed to be armed and dangerous. The driveling idiot who shot the kid is totally incompetent⌠no we do not intend the police just to come up and start blasting away⌠but this is a matter of competence not a matter of ill intent. Hassling young black men on the street when you are a white Southern cop has a long and dishonorable history."
Dear comment nannyâ I tried to delete the other similar comment so I could post the body of that text where it belongs⌠here!
NC Steve is correct. The prosecutorâs job is not to let everybody testify to satisfy the raving mobs but rather to present enough credible evidence to the grand jury for them to decide if the case should go to trial with both a prosecutor and a defense attorney and the opportunity for cross examination. This idiot prosecutor set himself up as defense attorney and held a mini-trial without the safeguards.
On which topic? Whether or not the officer who shot the 12 year old was a murderer? Or whether Wilson was exonerated by that botched grand jury?
So what was he doing hassling them for walking on the street before that?
The question is, did he have a legitimate reason for starting the interaction in the first place?
It is wandering off topic but it started with a legitimate disagreement as to who was morally more at fault â the officer who shot Tamir or the officer who shot Brown. Loehman thought he was confronting someone with a gun who had pointed it at people â Loehman does not appear to have had any malice beyond being wildly incompetent and fearful. Wilson looks like he was trying to throw his weight around. But Iâve made my points as clearly as I can.
He told them to get off the street and walk on the sidewalk. Makes sense to me. Plus that does not matter, when he drove by and looked in the mirror, he still would have seen the cigars.
How about if you explain to me why someone would do a strongarm robbery, and then walk down the middle of the street with the stolen merchandise in his hand?
No, the dispatch call on the cigar robber came at 11:53. Brown and his friend left the store at 11:54. So just stop with the misinformation, this is a matter of record, not speculation.
Letâs see hereâŚ
If I recall this article is about a murderer being hired by the Cleveland police force after dramatically failing the written test to become a sheriffs deputy. Then he and his partner came across a little kid playing with a toy gun in a park, a black kid, and they gunned him down.
However, if it had been a white woman wearing body armor shooting at people stopped at stop signsâŚwith a real gunâŚ
Oh wait! she wasnât wearing a hoody!!! thatâs why sheâs alive !!
No surprise here. What kind of idiot leaps out of a car within spitting distance of a person with a gun and begins firing?. It that had been a real bad guy with a real gun, that would have likely been one dead moron of a cop.
Between this fact, the washout at the previous department, and the CPDâs lack of scrutiny combined with the Justice Department findings, the city of Cleveland will not be able to resolve the Rice shooting inexpensively
Itâs now obvious that initial suspicions about these copsâ actions directly violating proper police procedure and their immediate attempts to deflect public scrutiny away from their lethal behavior by focusing on Tamir Rice as the instigator of his own death, were nothing more than vulgar and obvious attempts by the authorities to mitigate their own responsibility in authorizing Loehmann to carry a gun and a badge even though he was mentally unqualified to do so.
An important part of the case was the fact that a lot of people who said Brown was surrendering when shot actually did not even see what happened. The construction worker from that video all over TV actually said there were 3 cops chasing Brown. Turns out he was totally mistaken about what he saw.