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So the GOP passing bills with likely not Democratic support that they know the President doesnât support wonât worsen brinkmanship?
I think the blame is being laid at the wrong personâs feet here. Itâs the GOP who threatened the good faith and credit of the country, who forced the sequester, who shut down the government, and who are threatening once again to shut down the government.
Why would a left-leaning outlet like TPM be writing like publishing nonsense like this? (edited based on comment below)
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âThe politics of dealing with Obamaâs overreach is tough politics for Republicans,â Graham said.
Because there really was no overreach?
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The writers, CHARLES BABINGTON AND JIM KUHNHENN are with AP.
Being a Sunday morning, this was likely deemed worthy for aggregation/dissemination on TPM.
Filler basically.
jw1
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Please proceed, Republicans âŚ
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What difference does it make who is actually at fault? These are new timesâŚwhat matters is who can be stuck with the blame. Obama didnât shut down the governmentâŚCruz did. Obama got a good bit of the blame for it though. Thatâs how itâs done now.
Democrats have been lousy at dealing with this. I wouldnât be surprised if they are swallowed up in 2016. Gone. A rump on the Left with no power and with the sole purpose of being the punchline of political jokes. And they deserve that. They absolutely suck at politics ( their ideas are OK though ) and there isnât a bit of fight in them except when it comes to bashing their own.
DemocratsâŚyou are losers and you are doing what losers doâŚlose. Youâre going to lose moreâŚand you know it. Look at the tenor of the bit above. It suggests that a Democrat⌠to survive as a Democrat has to be a closet GOPâer. You have a shot at electing a POTUS in 2016⌠If you get Dem enough you could screw that up too. Hand it all over to your DaddyâŚthe GOP. After all, Hillary, the ONLY chance you have is a âdeformed womanâ. Sheâs a âcorporatistâ and she gets money from the big banks. So put a GOPâer in the WHâŚhow about Cruz or Paul?
I think a Beach Band named the Surfaries wrote your upcoming party anthem.
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Thatâs what they have been doingâŚwith great success.
Of course there wasnât. But the meme is out there and Obama will be forced to deal with it by making concessions he would not make if it wasnât. Thatâs how you do politics today. The GOP has done a masterful job at setting up 2014 to 2016. Obama wonât be able to do shit without the media echoing GOPâer memes of his âoverreachâ and âlack of bi-partisanshipâ. They ran Obama and his goofy Democrats right into a box canyon. Now all they have to do is use the next two years to pic them off like Sam Huston at Battle of San Jacinto.
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Why do lefties imagine that voter apathy is a post Clinton phenomenon?
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2014 may have been âAn Election About Nothingâ. 2016 wonât be.
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I doubt this very much. Obama is actually in the driverâs seat right now, and the GOP will be the fall guys. First, the GOP isnât going to be able to pass sensible legislation in either house without Democratic support. The âconcessionsâ are going to be made in the legislation itself before anything lands on Obamaâs desk.
Is the Tea Party pining to shut down the government? Yes. To pass a CR or a budget resolution, the GOP will need Democrats to support it via a vote in the House. Do you think the passage of either could happen without Democratic votes, and will those votes be forthcoming if the resolutions contain ridiculous riders (as some TPers have proposed)?
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I donât understand this kind of thinking. Instead of accepting that these are ânew timesâ Iâd rather try to change the times and call out the media for not doing its job and laying blame where it doesnât belong. Playing the game under the ânew timesâ rules is a sure way to lose in the long run because to do so you have to give up on governing and focus on name-calling.
And if thatâs the game weâre gonna play, why not become Republicans and get paid for it as a talking head on FOX or with one of the millions of think tanks that ensure no conservative âthinkerâ goes hungry?
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Theyâve won some battles, but itâs not over.
Time will tell if the GOP strategy yields longer-term successes.
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GO for it, fuck emâ Danno.
I certainly understand this, after having watched thoroughly incompetent twits like Joni Ernst successfully advance idiotic ideas right past the media watchdogs dinner plate. Read Lapdogs, How The Press Rolled Over For Bush, by my friend Eric Boehlert, this has been going on for decades.
The Republicans have mastered working the 90% of the honest press and they own the rest. Obama has taken a few swipes at FOX, but only a serious and continued calling out of the press for their failures will suffice.
@RichardinJax: Democrats have been lousy at dealing with this⌠They absolutely suck at politics ( their ideas are OK though ) and there isnât a bit of fight in them except when it comes to bashing their own.
⌠Youâre going to lose moreâŚand you know it. Look at the tenor of the bit above. It suggests that a Democrat⌠to survive as a Democrat has to be a closet GOPâer.
Democrats need to stand up and fight back with words like this:
âWe can go through the list over and over, but at the end of every line is this: Republicans believe this country should work for those who are rich, those who are powerful, those who can hire armies of lobbyists and lawyers. I will tell you we can whimper about it, we can whine about it or we can fight back.
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If there is a shot? Dude, stay off the top shelf stuff for a while (Oh, sorry FL doesnât cotton to medical pot).
The GOP cannot possibly win a Presidential contest even with the Great White Hopes(s) Jeb the Heffe and Hurricane Crisco.
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Obama is actually in the driverâs seat right now, and the GOP will be the fall guys.
I couldnât agree more. The saner Rs have acknowledged that they need to prove to those who voted for them that they did the right thing, so to remain in their Just Say No and obstruction modes will be counterproductive.
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ââŚ[tax breaks are] tilted too heavily toward corporations, not lower-income workersâŚâ
Expect a lot of this.
The Republican Party exists to rip off the middle class for the benefit of their corporate sponsors.
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I hope he vetoes every single thing the confederates attempt, not unlike how they have ground government to a hault when they were in the minority. Block. Hinder. Filibuster. I hope he jams them up so bad the country has no choice but to choose fully between the policies of the confederate right, and the middle class favoring policies of the liberal left.
And if they choose the former they deserve what they get. An American nightmare, instead of an American Dream.
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