Discussion for article #233729
How does this complicate the lawsuit in any way? The Roberts court has proven itself eager and willing to overturn laws knowing full well that Congress is neither willing nor able to pass new legislation (see: Voting Rights Act, R.I.P. 2014)
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The Court isnât going to deep six the subsidies. If they were going to, health insurer stocks would be falling and instead they are rising. Follow the money, folks.
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Insurance IS socialism. Itâs shared risk and shared compensation for losses, damages or illness, etc. If Hatch is against the ACA because it represents socialism what other forms of insurance does he feel are a threat to the nation? Flood insurance? Crop insurance?
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Hatch is full of crap. I canât believe heâs swallowed that Teabagger B.S.
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Sure they have a plan. They will use REGULAR ORDER. Right Boner?
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The Supremes meet Friday to vote but donât issue a decision until end of June?
Slackers.
This lawsuit is a big fucking deal as Joe Biden would say, but unfortunately my eyes glaze over now when it comes to articles on what SCOTUS will do or wonât do because of this, that, or the other thing when it comes to the ACA.
Unfortunately, I feel that in the end, the rightwing judicial hacks in long black robes donât give a tinkerâs damn about logic, precedent, or filed briefs that conflict with their own preconceived and predetermined biases.
I believe this court and these particular SCrOTUmS will do what theyâve always done when it comes to their rulingsâŚTheyâll vote their political leanings no matter what, for political expediency to aid politically aligned legislators. They did it with the Voting Rights Act. They did it with the Citizenâs United case. They did it with the asinine Hobby Lobby case. Hell, they did it going all the way back to Bush v. Gore. And they have been diminished in the eyes of the country ever since. This will be no different Iâm afraid. I seriously hope they prove me wrong.
If logic and intent are at the heart of this case, donât count on this Supreme Court to get it rightâŚthatâs all Iâm saying.
PS - They wonât even bother to consider whether or not the plaintiffâs have standing to bring this case to them, I will betâŚcause they donât. Anyone with half a brain can tell that clearly should have been a prerequisite by the court.
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So the GOPâs big bold plan is to jump on board a frivolous mendacious lawsuit that is aimed not at deep sixing the individual or employer mandate, but means to yank already procured insurance away from mostly red state working folk.
Thatâs a fucking brilliant idea, you stupid fucks. Maybe one of those redneck gun lovers youâre fucking over has a kid whoâs relying on that insurance for lifesaving treatment. And maybe heâll decide that a second amendment remedy is better than watching his kid die.
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So its anti-socialism or bust I guess. What are we, cavepeople? How can we live in a peaceful society, the basis of socialism, and not make use of numerous socialistic ideas?
Socialism-like is the best comparison. Using the best parts of an ideology and molding them to the best parts of America is America. What are we if not innovators that take ideas and make them better.
Democracy is hardly unique to the USA. The Greeks devised it and most nations have dabbled with forms of Democracy and even the Native American Indian gets credit for inspiring American Democracy. Our form includes many socialistic virtues that are just tried and true forms of governing societies.
A developed nation has forms of socialism inherently, there is no avoiding it, like it or not.
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âBadâ socialism is the government trying to make ipods or chairs or cars. Thatâs stupid, stifling socialism. These shitbag neoconfederates donât even know what the fuck theyâre talking about, let alone how an industrialized economy works.
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Amen. Robertsâ concern for corporations may outweigh even his concern for his legacy or his partyâs electoral future, all three of which weigh in on the side of tossing this staggeringly bogus challenge. And to the extent that he retains a shred of intellectual integrity, a little voice in his head has to be nagging at him that âfor the justices to enforce the lawâs existing languageâ means looking beyond the one malevolently cherry-picked phrase to the rest of the law. Because as someone may still not know, you donât even need to look at the history, the Democratsâ intent, what the Republicans and everyone else understood at the time, but just read the text itself to know what utter bad-faith bullshit this challenge is:
But since the record shows that the rightâs intellectual integrity is a slender reed to hang hope on, yeah, Iâll go with the money.
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Youâre making an unfounded assumption in the very first sentence. Why do you continue to pretend that the Regressives have any interest at all in doing anything about health care access for those unable to pay? Get real!
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They are the consummate sheep, the useful idiots, the willfully ignorant.
They donât hate socialism, they basically are Pavlovian in their instantaneous reaction to buzzwords. Saying Obama sets them off like firecrackers. Socialism, Gay, illegal alien, and on and on just piques their ire with zero content.
If and when their Obamacare is ever taken from them, theyâll blame Obama, Doh!
Same with socialism. If the socialism that exists in their lives since the day they were born were taken away, theyâd be screaming about the lack of government involvement in helping them.
A sensible argument can not be made with reactionary fools. They exist from flare up of anger to flare up of anger. Wisdom bounces off of them and is their kryptonite.
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Hatch is and always has been equal parts right-wing nut and political hack. His friendship with Ted Kennedy was an aberration, as was demonstrated by his enthusiastic lies about Teddyâs positions wrt health-care reform that started the instant Teddy was no longer in a position to keep him honest.
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I agree 100%
They cannot be reasoned with.
They must be destroyed.
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The GOP does have a plan, simply: âDonât get sick.â
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They are. Mention Obamacare and they get angry. Mention the ACA and they love it.
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ââŚHatch, who chairs the powerful Senate Finance Committee, dismissed that option as a road to socialismâ
Someday theyâre going to have to realize that healthcare and health insurance are not widgets or hotdogs. Capitalism works wonders with regard to many products and services, but health insurance is not one of them, as we can clearly see within the U.S. system. Does that mean full-blown socialism? No, but weâre going to have to regulate the hell out of for-profit providers and subsidize certain people so that weâre not all screwed at the end of the day. It all just seems so goddamned simple - unless youâre a Republican apparently. What the is the GOPâs alternative? I just donât see how any truly âconservativeâ approach to our healthcare woes would be even remotely workable.
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âThe Democrats are going to just say, âLetâs just keep Obamacare going.â Obamacare is going to bankrupt the country.â says Hatch!
When did the Republicans ever cared if this country went bankrupt! Just take look at the amount of money the Repubs put on the countryâs credit card, during Wâs 8 years!
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