Discussion: Obama Will Finally Have To Veto An Obamacare Repeal

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Plain and simple, the bill represents Republican masturbation, i.e. pleasurable but unproductive.

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It would be cool if the president webcast his veto, adding that he’s not going to take away people’s health care.

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And also wasteful! =P

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PLEASE SPEND MORE TIME ON THIS IT IS WAY MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING ELSE EVER

Gah.

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Or he could sign it and force congress to come up with the replacements they are al ways talking about.

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If one goes far back enough in time, there is a model for the ideal Republican health care plan:

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It would be much cooler if he would invite the media to a live press conference- style, veto event. He should have Cecile Richards and several families who’ve benefited from Obamacare standing behind him as he publicly explains what a catastrophe it would be if he signed the thing. He should then talk about the waste of taxpayer dollars in crafting this bill, the time spent passing it and reconciling the language and how Congress has refused to send him a bill that addressees our crumbling roads and bridges and that they haven’t even given him the authorization to fully fight ISIS. There are literally a million other things Congress could be doing to help the American people, and yet they’re wasting their time working on bills they unquestionably know will fail.

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By the way, can one of our smart Moran to English translators explain what Republicans expect to get out of this?

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its what our constituents elected us to do…

give them a reason to re-elect us…

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“How many times must the House re-peal?”

“The answer, my friend, is blowing and blowing and blowing.”

But now they can say to their bases—“We tried and tried and tried and tried andtried andtried ntried.”

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You pretty much read my mind. I’ve heard that the Rethugs believe that getting POTUS to veto their bill will somehow give them some sort of traction with the public re: the repeal idea. To say that I don’t get it is an understatement. It strikes me as being completely useless as some kind of political wedge. Those who want it repealed will continue on that path from now until they shuffle off this mortal coil. The rest of us just want improvements.

EDIT TO ADD: Had the bill been vetoed prior to 2013, it might very well have provided more ammunition for the GOP. Now, - no.

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It must be as @JCBlues suggested so that they can say “its what our constituents elected us to do”. I just don’t see how it helps their eventual nominee, candidates running in blue/purple states, or anyone not currently voting GOP. It’s not even a "dance with them what brung ya"since they’ve already voted to repeal several dozen times. Is it to prove to their super stupid base that there really is nothing they can do to repeal Obamacare?

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Perhaps partly the desire to keep the abortion issue in the limelight in an election year. Could boost turnout with a down-ballot payoff. Especially important if out-of-control Trump actually does win the nomination.

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IF their MO is to say to the base of GOP morans, “our hands are tied, nothing can be done” then they might use that as motivation to get out the vote to elect a GOP POTUS. The GOP establishment might be looking at the results from KY and thinking since they got a teabagger Gov. even running on repealing Obamacare, that might translate nationally. Personally, I think that’s a really dicey bet to play.

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… and somewhat disgusting to think about or witness.

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Absolutely. In fact, they should make this a “veto extravaganza”. There should be a week’s lead up to the veto, itself, with a TV and social media blitz that focuses on a never-ending string of ordinary families describing losing their health insurance under the bill, with a tag line that goes something like this-- “The Republicans just voted to steal health insurance from American taxpayers, while hoarding their own taxpayer subsidized health insurance. Thank you, Paul Ryan. Thank you, Mitch McConnell. President Obama, don’t let them get away with this theft!” And I would blanket Red America – Not just Blue America - with these adds, “starring” local folks.

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Once again, Paul Ryan riding the crest of propaganda and lies. He’s going to waste his (and OUR) time and money trying to repeal what has become a very popular law. You’d think they would have learned after failing to block Social Security, but as I remember, that was about 80 years ago. Guess elephants DO forget!

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First, it “legitimizes” the idea. Like it or not, something which has passed both houses of Congress gets a tinge of respectability as a valid idea.

Second, it energizes the base, or at least keeps them from voting their congressman out a little longer. Republicans live in deathly fear of being primaries out, because they know that the moron hyper-right has a GOTV apparatus like no other; their numbers are small, but with near-100% turnout they can completely dominate low-turnout elections like primaries.

Third, it doesn’t hurt their secondary constituents because (a) it will never survive a veto nor get a veto-proof majority, so it never becomes obvious to their constituents that “Obamacare repeal” actually means getting rid of stuff they actually care about and use, and (b) they can keep claiming that they have a secret plan for military success in Southeast Asia, er, replacement health care plan. So, it doesn’t hurt in the general election.

Significant up-side. No discernible downside. It would be news if they weren’t doing this over and over again, honestly.

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I am not really sure how Obama should respond, other than with mockery and derision.

  1. ‘they talk about repeal and replace, but they got no replace’
  2. people die because they dont see the doctor when they are uninsured, this legislation would kill people.
  3. why do they waste their time on stuff when they know it is going to get vetoed?