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It would be potentially advantageous in the near term for the President to do something unilaterally before the mid-terms. But will the Latinos then turn out in November to show their appreciation?
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âOh, itâs sooooooo hardâ. repugs are funny.
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Take this meme: That the President and Democrats want Immigration Reform and keep repeating it, over and over, and over again until even the hearing-impaired yahoos over at FAUX news hear it.
Maybe, just maybe it will help to bring out the Hispanic Vote.
But sadly, when it comes to messaging, the Democrats are like the Parents in a Charlie Brown Cartoon.
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What Right-Wingers really want is mass deportation as a form of ethnic cleansing. They will never give an inch.
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I keep reading here and elsewhere that Obama has deported more than Bush. Where/what is the citation for that?
That seems a logical conclusion, but when asked itâs almost immediately dismissed. That minority voters wonât turnout in big numbers seems to now be an article of absolute faith. No group turns out in the same numbers in midterms as they do presidential election years but the drop off in 2010 was especially dramatic, historically bad. There seems to be no acknowledgement that 2010 may have been an outlier. I find it absolutely baffling how so many pundits will point to Bushâs losses in 2006 as proof that Democrats will do horribly in the midterms yet no one ever stops to think about the fact that Bush lost because Democrats turned out in big numbers.
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Hispanic Voters are not stupid as you would infer. GOoPers do a fine job of messaging that says it all.
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Devilish? Talk about a loaded word to use about this president. TPM, please revise this headline!
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If the GOP keep trying to appease their extreme right base in this manner, I predict that the Democrats will retain not only the White House, but again seats I. the Senate and regain control of the House. This is no way to win elections; ignoring roughly 75 percent of the country while kowtowing to the remaining 25 percent.
Whether their base wants to admit it or not, their vote is losing relevancy and is dwindling. They need the on-site vote, whether they want to admit to it or not.
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Everything I read tells me Latinos may not turn in any sizeable numbers, theyâre angry at the number of deportations under the Obama administration, and they donât like the repubs either for reasons too many to list. Youâre right, we cannot count on their votes.
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RelaxâTPM is taking back the word devilishâitâs a word that fits.
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The cons really would cut off their noses to spite their faceâŚthatâs how far gone the GOP have become.
"There seems to be no acknowledgement that 2010 may have been an outlier. I find it absolutely baffling how so many pundits will point to Bushâs losses in 2006 as proof that Democrats will do horribly in the midterms yet no one ever stops to think about the fact that Bush lost because Democrats turned out in big numbers. "
I so agree. GOTV was the means by which the Dems did the unthinkable. There is no earthly reason this cannot be replicated.
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In politics for every action their is an equal an opposite reaction (eventually). Conservatives have seized on the strategy of shutting down legislatures in places they canât pass laws (US Congress, Virginia legislatures, etc). In the short term this has been effective. But in the long term this merely empowers executive actions.
The legislature serves as a political check on executive power (the judicial is a legal check). Traditionally when the executive branch has overreached (see Nixonâs overuse of the impoundment of appropriated funds) a bipartisan coalition would form to protect the interest of the legislature (Congress banned the impoundment of appropriated funds with veto proof margins). But since the Tea Party considers working with Democrats to be verboten, legislatures can not speak with âone voiceâ on these matters.
Shutting down the regular order of business in Congress has consequences.
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In 2006 and 1998 Democrats has issues that rallied the base. Midterm election are much more base turnout elections than Presidential years. If there are issues that galvanize the base, they will turn out. If not midterm demographics come in to play.
The very small drop off in black voters in VA in 2013 is a hopeful sign, because TM ran on a platform that was aimed at the base. Minority voters will turn out if you rally them.
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Hay un problema bien grande para los republicanos. Por una parte, necesitan votos hispanos; por otra parte, no tienen respeto para la mayoria del pueblo latino.
Y, tambien, la base del partido (el grupo de âTeaBaggersâ), no tienen ninguna intencion de aceptar la mayoria de los hispanos (especialmente, la gente con la piel morena) como humanos iguales.
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âBut what I do want to do and I know they want to see is not only enforcement at the border, but also enforcement in the interior of the United States.â
And this gives me the heebie-jeebies about how Republicans will lead to throwing away civil liberties as long as they donât their own are at risk. The Patriot Act was passed thinking that as long as you looked and dressed like a terrorist (Middle Eastern/Arabic), then they would never come after âyouâ.
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I wholeheartedly agree, but if one listens to just about any pundit, even some on the left, thereâs this general agreement that Democrats wonât turnout and that thereâs simply nothing Democrats can do about that. If Democrats run on the issues part of the Fair Shot campaign, I see absolutely no reason why Democrats couldnât be compelled to go vote. A few months back I read a story about Democratsâ raising IIRC $70 million that will be solely devoted to voter turnout. But again, just about every opinion piece about 2014 projections (except Michael Tomasky) begins with claims of certain doom.
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Seems to me that the Rupublicans have set this âdevilish trapâ for themselves.
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