For future reference here is some help recognizing a smug know it all next time you see one:
But I don’t expect a smug know it all like you to get that.
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You just proved our point. If they were never going to support HRC then no loss. She’s beating him by more than 2 million votes and skatey eight thousand delegates. (Yes, I can exaggerate too)
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Exactly correct and I bet I can count on one hand how many independent democrats there are. Democrats are proud to be democrats and register that way. Independents lean Republican because they are ashamed to be openly associated with the republican party
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That is crap, filled with the Kool-aid of the past “tax and spend” label.
In reality the Democrats, under Presidents Clinton and Obama, have been the most fiscally responsible parties of recent history, while the Republicans with their support of wars, the defense establishment (even in the face of Defense Department wishes), and tax cuts for the rich, have been the most fiscally irresponsible party of recent history, beginning with Reagan.
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If 40% of the people in the country lean republican then we have much bigger problems than you think.
In the last presidential election they made up 29% of the total votes. 45% voted for Obama, 50% for Romney, 5% for “other”.
Oh but I forgot, facts seem to mean fuck all on these forums.
I didn’t say they all knew what they were talking about. Obviously as a democrat I think democrats manage the economy a million times better. That wasn’t the point. The point was I’d gladly use their votes on other issues. While apparently lots of other democrats would be happy to either ridicule them, or show them the door.
Not having total control handed to the minority Bernie represents is not being fucked over.
Bernie has been in Congress for a quarter of a century. He has done nothing to help the party to elect better legislators to advance the causes he claims to support. Nor did he take steps outside the party to do that. The only Democrat other than himself that he supported enthusiastically was Jesse Jackson. To the rest he offered at best lukewarm endorsements.
He did not help build the party but he seems to feel he is entitled to use it for free.
In any institution the Little Red Hen gets more respect than the would-be free loader.
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I’ve always known the Democratic Party to be one of inclusion, sometimes to a fault, eg.: Blue Dog, Dixiecrats, etc., so just who are you referring to when you reference “lots of other democrats.”
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As I’ve said in the other thread, if the democratic party saw him as a free loader they should not have let him run as a democrat. If they let him run as a democrat, they are now obligated to lend him at least some support. To do otherwise would make them look bad, not him. Whether you personally feel he deserves it or not, they made a deal.
David, the democratic party itself may be inclusive. However I feel that its members are a different story.
Bullshit.
The Democratic Party I was speaking of is the members, at least in toto. Sure there may be some outliers, but that’s the nature of an inclusive party.
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No. That is not what the DNC thread comments are saying. Just what you want to read them as because it fits your “we was robbed” worldview.
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Which is all you seem to operate on. How you feel. It isn’t about you.
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This.
Nothing is stopping Independents from voting in the general.
And as far as fiscal conservatives, the last Republican president who balanced a budget was Eisenhower – and he had a Democratic Congress to help him.
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So, only one side made a deal?
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The members of the Democratic party elected enough Blue Dogs to get us a majority. They helped us get healthcare reform, Dodd-Frank, stimulus, etc.
But the preening and intolerant Left, represented by some Sanders supporters, mocked them as sell-outs and stayed home in 2010 and 2014, leaving us with a minority.
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I am not really sure what exact point avs is trying to make. I am an independent because I live in an open primary state that only registers you to vote (no party affiliation in the registration process); when I vote in a primary they ask me democratic or republican primary ballot. But if I lived in a closed primary state I would register as Democrat and the hell with the independent stuff. So I don’t think avs is grasping at all what you are saying.
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Not exactly. It’s not an open primary.
I read (somewhere) it was open…so it’s actually a hybrid. Independents can vote in either the GOP or DEM primary.