Huh?
Are you saying you want Drumpf elected to hasten “the revolution”…?
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Agreed. As I’ve said before, I donated to the Sanders campaign and voted for him in my state’s primary. However, I find the constant carping about rules kind of unseemly. He should encourage his supporters to get involved with their local/county/state Democratic Party structure so they can make the changes that need to be made. Parachuting in and insisting everybody do things your way when you haven’t been involved in the process is also unfair.
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There are quite a number of people on these boards who started out supporting Senator Bernie Sanders and already regret it. In the conditions you are imagining Bernie might win a plurality of under 20 voters in the few states where he could yet get on the ballot.
Back in the real world, Trump thanks you for your support.
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Bingo. This can’t be said enough. And if Sanders was serious he would be doing this and I would be thrilled as would the rest of the party.
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Actually, there is an organization starting up of Sanders supporters aiming at the mid-terms and beyond: https://brandnewcongress.org/
I’m not sure if they’ll continue their momentum, but I hope they do, because we need enthusiastic young people in the party.
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Is that why Bernie got 3M less votes than Clinton so far? Because he has more non-Dem supporters?
Let me help you out here, kid: Quit it with the imaginary “I’m in the majority” crap. You sound like a Teatroll when you spew that nonsense, not just because it’s demonstrably untrue, but because the self-feeding delusion that you’re speaking for “everyone” and “we the people”, when you’re clearly in a small and vocal minority by any measure, is one of the irrational justifications for radicalization.
If you want to come to the game in your 20s with nothing but cynicism and hate based on blanket generalizations of everyone you consider “other,” mired in false equivalencies that bespeak deep intellectual laziness, sporting the belief that you can engage in a non-strategic foot-stomping overhaul of everything just by being angry and treating people poorly, calling your would-be allies names and burning all your bridges in a self-righteous blaze of myopic glory, then be my guest. Here’s what it will earn you: NOTHING. You will have defeated yourself and your own purposes. Enjoy it. Savor it in your later years when you look back at all that could have bee accomplished if you hadn’t behaved like a self-entitled millennial asshat who “knows better” than everyone else by virtue of nothing but his indignation and internalization of some feel-good talking points.
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Sanders supporters are clearly not the majority in the democratic primary. However, to mix up states with both open and closed primaries to make your point is disingenuous.
What? Are you really trying to make the argument that Republicans in states with open primaries went and voted for Clinton to keep Bernie at bay?
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I agree completely, it’s just that some of the rules he’s whining about are there specifically to protect the process. Closed primaries are a perfect of example of a rule that should be implemented in every state, not gotten rid of.
As someone noted upthread, with the GOP nomination over, GOP voters will now have the opportunity to try to pick their opponent. Imagine a scenario where the GOP quickly falls in line behind a very popular Republican candidate, someone universally well liked by different factions of the party (maybe a Paul Ryan pre-Trump). If that candidate quickly locked down the nomination, open primaries would absolutely allow Republican voters to decide our process and nominate the weakest candidate. Why would we Democrats who are members of the Democratic Party want anyone but Democrats choosing our nominee? It literally makes no sense.
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I think it’s a good bet the person you were addressing was talking about independent voters not republicans. They could vote in open primaries but not closed ones. So to say that he obviously doesn’t have more non-dem supporters is debatable unless every primary was an open primary. That’s all I’m saying.
Now whether we should let non-democrats vote in democratic primaries or not is an interesting question. On the one hand on paper it’s odd to say the least. On the other hand over 40% of voters in this country seem to identify as independent. You’re not going to get all of them into one tent. Why not take their support when they offer it?
Independent voters are not really independent—they’re just not registered by party.
Independents tend to lean left or right and vote for the party that corresponds to the way they lean.
If left-leaning independents want to vote in Democratic primaries, then they need to register as Democrats. Absent that, they can sit home twiddling their thumbs and complaining because they didn’t get their way.
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Thank you master of the obvious.
Duh, like anyone said otherwise?
Our two party system is very restrictive. They have become tent parties, and it’s impossible to be all things to all people. For example I know lots of people that are fiscally conservative but socially liberal. There’s no place for them in the democratic party, but given the chance they would absolutely vote for gay rights, etc. We could absolutely use their support. But I don’t expect a smug know it all like you to get that.
Look at the current national polls. Sniff it’s point stands.
Also, be intellectually honest. Dicuss the relationship between caucus wins and statewide support as well.
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There’s plenty of room for those folks in the Democratic party—always has been.
And thanks for the lovely personal attack. It shows how out of your league you are here.
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“Everyone I know on social media agrees with me so I must be in the overwhelming majority!”
Rolls eyes.
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This is a joke right? Look at the comments in the Sanders’ DNC thread, where the overwhelming sentiment is basically “if you’re not a lifelong democrat, you deserve to be fucked over”.
Calling you smug is an observation, not a personal attack. If you can’t handle that, you’re not in any league.
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Thanks for that, I missed that part in the screed.
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We should have known his math aptitude after reading his proposals.
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It’s what’s back of all Berniebuster screeds. It’s the source of what makes them so reminiscent of the Paultards despite the entirely different ideology.
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Everybody except Bernie and his fans