Discussion for article #223892
I donât understand why the Bureau of Indian Education has such a hard time producing results. They only have 48,000 kids to educate? Letâs put it this way, Texas has over 5 million public school kids, and they still get educated. And Texas hates education. So with adequate funding, the logistics of what they have to do is not hard. But the adequate funding has to be there.
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Education systems are secondary to education compared to general well-being and stable family life.
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Extreme poverty, alcoholism and abuse. Another group of people who are owed reparations - or at least acknowledgement of the harm we did and the continuing effects.
How long will we deny our property and prosperity (increasingly concentrated as it is) was taken by force from their ancestors, and the labor that built it was largely taken by force with human slavery.
Should Obama attempt the actions noted in the above article, the opposition will encourage their libertarian idiots to scream heâs stealing from them.
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For all those saying âI donât understandâ or âwhatâs really going on isâ need to head down to your local reservation.
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Wait a minute. The whole shop is Native American Country. From sea to shining sea, North to South. You canât come to us, youâre already on our turf.
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If I am not mistaken, native peoples traditionally did not presume to own the land. Thatâs a European concept of property ownership.
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Yes, but you needed permission to hunt, fish, or otherwise use the land. Europeans gave something in exchange to do that, or outright stole the land and then considered that they owned it. Then they carried out genocide to consolidate their claims. Do you have a point?
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Yes, and that is still the case. The last time I was on tribal land, I was a guest at the discretion of the tribal council.
Agreed.
That began with the Spanish, continued by the English and finished by the U.S. Government.
My point is that although the tribes we think of as Native Americans were here before the latest wave of European settlers, they did not have a concept of owning the entire continent From sea to shining sea, North to South, or even have a concept of the continent proper. The tribes extant in the Americas then were not a unified organization, and there was a long, long history of wars and disputes between some tribes for territorial rights along with the usual spoils. I am not in any way defending the exploitation abuse or genocide of native peoples by Europeans.
That you, and Obama are in Indian Country anywhere in the U.S. and contiguous regions (see original post). You seem a bit dense.
And you seem like a bit of an ass. Have a nice weekend!
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Thatâs their problem.
I believe I referred to Europeans, which covers the above groups.
As for your point, trade items went right across the continent, and beyond, tribe to tribe. Thereâs very little territory that was not under the stewardship or control of natives, if even on a seasonal, or migratory basis. The unified U.S.A. is a very recent concept as well. I donât know what youâre trying to say. If itâs that natives would have to have had some kind of unified territorial concept of what is now the U.S., I disagree that it is of any importance. As you must know, territorial boundaries between tribes have nothing to do with the borders between north, central, and south American countries. I donât accept that the crumbs of territory grudgingly ceded to (and then often violently taken back from) tribes is or should be the extent of Indian Country.
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No, I really appreciate your sincere attempt to school me in the history of the exploitation of my people. Really sweet!
Unless youâre over 500 years old, you had to learn about the historical exploitation of your people just like everyone else didâfrom records kept by others. You and I werenât there. So spare me the righteous indignation, and keep your race card in your hand for when you need to play it on an enemy. Also, learn to better recognize friends.
And I am being an ass to you, which is no worse than what your half-assed attempt at âsome of my best friends are Indiansâ reference to being down with some tribal leaders, and pointless assertions about indigenous peopleâs concept of property rights deserve.
Thatâs honest.
No thatâs not what I implied, but it fits the narrative that you have going on in your mind to infer that, and to embellish and interpret my comment in the worst way imaginable. Itâs a typical trolling tactic, but you know that already donât you. You probably donât even have one drop of tribal blood in you, either. But thatâs neither here nor there. However, your malicious intent is showing through.
We have the genocide, the marginalization, the starvation, the paternal usurping of government functions, and the humiliation of having to show âblood quantumâ for tribal membership all imposed by the dominant culture. But thatâs not enough. Smarmy white people canât help but lecture on what we really were, are, and how we ought to be more polite about it. Itâs never enough for you. Sometimes the better part of expressing yourself is to STFU.
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Smarmy white people canât help but lecture on what we really were, are, and how we ought to be more polite about it. Itâs never enough for you.[/quote]
Race-bait much?
You should take your own advice, instead of making race-baiting inflammatory comments.
Thanks for proving my point.
You have no point.