Discussion: Obama: Elizabeth Warren Is 'Wrong' About TPP Trade Deal

Bear with me; this is going to be lengthy, as I have been following this issue and listening to various arguments.

With the Republican takeover of the House in 2010, and the Senate in 2014, many liberals and Democrats have predicted doom for any policies needed to promote an economic revival and recovery during President Obama’s administration. However, Obama, who has said he is motivated less by ideology and more by results and what works, is forging ahead with plans on various fronts – some of which, ironically, seem to be garnering more support from Republicans than Democrats.

Many liberals and Democrats fear the Asia (Trans Pacific Partnership or TPP) and Europe (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership or TTIP) trade deals Obama is negotiating, arguing that, just like the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), they would undercut the interests of American workers and put them at a competitive disadvantage.Their argument envisions a NAFTA writ large: trade barriers with low-wage nations – with few protections for labor, the environment, and even U.S. national sovereignty (!) – would be lowered, thereby encouraging American jobs to be exported to cheap labor areas with poor labor and environmental practices.

But what if this were not the case? At the European Summit last year, a top-ranking Euro official expressed concerns that a trade pact with the U.S. would lead to a loss of European jobs, given the U.S. right-wing’s preference for anti-union “Right to Work” laws and weakened environmental regulations. The man’s comment sounded like Ross Perot’s 1992 warning of that “giant sucking sound” a la NAFTA, but Obama assured him he had no intention of easing American environmental or worker protections or stealing European jobs.

But would a trade deal, even if it were conditioned on firm support for American workers and jobs, lead to WTO-style protests from the Left? Some liberals worry that some Republicans support granting President Obama fast-track authority to negotiate a trade deal, and see this as evidence that Obama is preparing to betray American workers and sell-out to Big Business and multinational corporations.

Obama has countered that firms simply seeking cheap labor have already left America, and that the current situation, with protectionist policies in China and other Asian nations, disadvantages American firms, and that he plans to level the playing field.

And could it be that Republicans support these deals simply because their backers seek expanded opportunities in developing markets? And might these corporations and investors, and Obama, have considered something that we have not?

Consider that China is not included in the TPP. Recently China’s stratospheric growth rate has been slowing down (and so has foreign investment), and Chinese leadership – hoping to address rising debt levels and some issues within its finance system, and pivot from an investment- and export-based economy to one more aligned with domestic consumer spending (which might include even more-protectionist policies) – has recently announced that it will pursue policies that will sacrifice short-term growth in favor of more sustainable long-term stability.

Also, while the TPP does not include China, it does include its regional trading partners, and raising environmental and labor standards for them could also force China to raise theirs as a price of doing business.

Could it be that President Obama and Big Business have anticipated this prospect, and that Obama is deftly tailoring a trade package that offers increased trade opportunities with pro-American developing nations (carrot), but with the caveat (stick) of a regulatory and enforcement regime that protects workers, human rights and the environment, in order to win the crucial support of Republicans and multi-national firms who realize that declining growth rates in the world’s second-largest economy might no longer serve as a cash cow?

Could a trade deal that so far has seen more support from Republicans and corporations than labor unions and presumably pro-labor Democrats serve as a powerful international engine for worker empowerment, stronger environmental and human rights protections, and the reshoring of American jobs? Has Obama flipped the script and re-framed the narrative? Is this some of that fabled ten-dimensional chess he’s sometimes accused of, or credited with, playing?

Some fear that Obama is being “rolled” by cut-throat negotiators from Big Business and overseas interests, but in fairness Obama has proven to be a shrewd and tough negotiator himself. Consider that he:

  • Engineered the rescue of General Motors and Chrysler;

  • Got automakers to voluntarily boost fuel standards for cars and trucks;

  • Got hospitals, healthcare providers, and private insurers to agree to accept reduced levels of reimbursement and payment as part of healthcare reform;

  • Broke Republican opposition to extensions in unemployment insurance and payroll tax cuts, clean energy grants, and $313 billion in new spending, as well as START II, emergency assistance for 9-11 first responders, and the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, in exchange for a two-year extension of the Bush tax cuts for upper-bracket income – in effect, an $858 billion stimulus package;

  • Secured a multi-billion dollar damage pool from British Petroleum after the disastrous Gulf oil spill, avoiding the decades-long delay and corrupt low-ball award outcome that followed the Exxon Valdez oil spill;

  • Disarmed Syria of chemical weapons without firing a shot;

  • Convinced an energy-dependent Europe to join in imposing economic sanctions on Russia in the aftermath of its incursion into the Ukraine;

  • Reached a historic climate change agreement with China to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions – a first for China – and provide 20 percent of its energy from renewable sources by 2030;

  • Got an understanding with India on greenhouse gas emissions;

  • Assembled a 60-nation coalition of allies – and adversaries – to combat ISIS;

  • Eased travel restrictions with Cuba and started talks on normalizing relations – marking the end of the Cold War – which promise to relieve isolation for Cuban citizens and undercut attempts by Russia and Venezuela to forge wider hemispheric links, and

  • Initiated negotiations with the P5+1 world powers and Iran on a framework for a landmark deal to limit Iran’s nuclear program to peaceful uses.

NAFTA was flawed in not adequately addressing concerns about labor rights or environmental protection. However, the Europe and Asia deals present new opportunities and challenges, and we should not judge them based on the history of NAFTA and its perhaps unintended consequences.

And we should not second-guess the motivations of the most pro-worker President in generations based on a 20-year old agreement crafted during the Bush and Reagan administrations and only finalized under President Clinton.

In addition, China is hoping to craft a rival Common Market-style trade deal within Asia, and if we do not forge greater trade and economic ties with Europe and Asia, China will step in and do so, and they most likely would not support the kinds of environmental or labor protections that we (sometimes) do, which would likely accelerate a “race to the bottom” with regard to worker interests everywhere.

Another priority for liberals and Democrats is a massive funding project that would create millions of jobs repairing or modernizing infrastructure. But with a Republican Congressional majority, Democrats and liberals who have focused their hopes on a conventional Congressional appropriation for funding feel the opportunity already has been lost, given Republican reluctance to broach the subject.

But, again, there may be an opportunity in out-of-box thinking.

Both Obama and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell have expressed interest in reforming the tax code. Obama has suggested such revenue be used to fund an infrastructure bank. However, some on the Left fear Obama’s proposal to consider a tax break to corporations or to expatriated capital – some trillions of dollars in overseas accounts – amounts to a “cave” to moneyed interests seeking a break on taxes.

Would the Left support a deal that allows expatriated money from Google, Apple, Caterpillar, or General Electric to return to the U.S. and be taxed at a lower rate than normal, or that lowers nominal rates but closes corporate loopholes and frees up monies to be used to fund infrastructure projects? Would the Left be outraged and call it a “cave” and decry Obama as a “corporatist”?

Some Democrats and liberals might reject outright a proposal that lowers nominal tax rates, but President Obama appears be working on a number of proposals intended to promote massive infrastructure development, an economic and industrial revival, job creation and free community college in the U.S. – coupled with opportunities for expanded overseas trade that wean multi-national firms from reliance on cheap labor and China’s now-shrinking expansionist window and “globalize” worker and human rights and environmental protections – by, in the words of the Godfather, making Republicans and the One Percent "an offer they can’t refuse.”

Will Obama be able to count on the Left, or will they remain stuck in ideology? And can he get Republicans to carry the ball for some of his greatest economic achievements in his Fourth Quarter?

Truly, politics can sometimes make for strange bedfellows.

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I found that very interesting. The president said Congress has been briefed, I believe, five times on the agreement and will get the full text of the agreement and several months to debate it. If that’s true, Sanders and Warren aren’t being truthful.

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For dozens of reasons NAFTA was NOT a good thing. Just one example: I live in southern Arizona. There was virtually no illegal immigration problem before NAFTA. NAFTA allowed American agribusiness to go into Mexico and put low-income farmers out of business. In desperation they started coming north. The human tragedy and the cost of enforcement has been overwhelming.

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Seriously, this deserves it’s own article.
Kinda wish you were a writer for this site. What a well written post - you raise very good points.
Bravo - wish I could like it a thousand times. Smiley

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Thank you.

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Seconded - Josh might want to pick up this thread and run with it for future front page “longforms.”

note: If josh already has done this and it totally whistled past my head, I apologize in advance.

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I do not understand the WallMart shopping USA citizens blaming NFTA for the loss of USA jobs when the key element of their consumption choices is to buy the cheapest they can buy even if it costs them their factory job. Blaming trade deals is convenient but hardly true. The consumer is to blame for the shift in job opportunity along with the greed and anti gov mentality of the same group. It is all compounded by the right wing fiction manufacturing industry and unlimited political spending by the super wealth so they can control larger and larger portions of the GNP.

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This is total BS from beginning to end. Even Paul Craig Roberts, the inventor of Reganomics, has argues that these ideas are obscene and immoral. TPP means oligarchy forever and an end of the middle class. Currently 99% of new wealth is going to the top one percent. TPP will make things even worse. As every union in American is saying: under the TPP American workers are totally screwed. How can they ever compete with dirt-cheap labor in Vietnam?

The TPP also yields American sovereignty to multi-national corporations. And it means the end of environmental protection. And an end of the regulation of pharmaceuticals. And an end to all other laws that protect our health and safety. I have seen the future and it is ugly.

By the way, Obama doesn’t play ten-dimensional chess. He plays one-dimensional checkers and he’s not very good at it. He has been outsmarted from Day One of his presidency. (Either that or else he is a Republican in disguise.)

If this is the future of the Democratic party, then count me out!

Agreed. It was a brilliant post that beautifully lays out the various points. What I believe is happening on the left is that for folks like Warren, Sanders, and Stabenow opposing the trade agreement rallies their natural base and constituents, who are always going to be skeptical of trade agreements (for good reason). Opposing the TPP is good politics for them, but the TPP may not be bad policy.

Gladly.

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Thank you.

First of all, I suggest we hold our fire until a draft is available for review.

Also, I am familiar with Roberts’ writing from Counterpunch, and I welcome his thoughts on the subject – after a draft of the trade deals are available.

Second, globalization is a reality, and it, and automation, have eliminated many American jobs. What is your solution – more protectionism? A revival of trade wars, which that will likely trigger?

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Just for the record, NAFTA was Reagan’s idea and the signature ion the treaty is that of GHW Bush,

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The President loses this argument because he will not disclose the details of the agreement.

America can’t afford free trade. Free trade just costs too darned much.

THANK YOU! You just said on the head what I was thinking and it ties into what I was saying before.

Americans, by and large, now see themselves largely as consumers. With that in mind, most any trade deal looks OK to them because it benefits them as consumers.

As workers, it probably shafts them.

But, we as a country have to make up our minds whether we want good paying manufacturing and administrative jobs or cheaper packs of tube socks.

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Except the “argument” is only happening amongst ourselves as liberals. Similar, to what’s happening with HRC’s coronation as our Dem nominee. We’re just arguing amongst ourselves here.

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I think this is really a phony argument. The text will be made public when there is an agreed-to text among the negotiating countries. At that point, all TPM-ers and others will be able to read and analyze it, and criticize it to their hearts’ content. All of this will take place with ample time before any vote in the Congress. This is no different than any other piece of legislation, where the bill is discussed and negotiated pretty much in private, and then is introduced where it then is opened to any and all debate and criticism. I don’t know yet whether I will support the agreement, because I haven’t read it… and because there is no agreement yet. But I find it more than a bit ironic that the overwhelming position of TPM-ers on the Iran Nuclear Deal is to support it, even though there is no agreement yet, while the overwhelming position of TPM-ers on the Trade Deal is to oppose it, even though there is no agreement yet. A bit of analytical consistency might be useful. Just saying.

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Thank you.

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I don’t think it’s a simple dichotomy like that. Apart from some high-end luxury items [hand made shoes, etc.] manufacturing jobs that are not based on high levels of automation are probably never coming back. Automation is killing off even skilled jobs, up to and including doctors in some situations [The “Watson” computer is very good at diagnosing ailments and diseases]. Some of the financial mavens claim wrongly that high unemployment is in part due to U.S. workers’ lack of modern sophisticated skills. Anyone who reads Krugman or Stiglitz knows this is simply not true. There is a general lack of demand which translates into a reduced need for even sophisticated skills in the job market and this may continue for some time. So, what to do? Wait until there’s a kind of parity among wages across the globe as nations like China and Vietnam enlarge their middle class? Should we have a national, guaranteed income? Should we “make work” by engaging in infrastructure spending? Should we move toward a truly “managed” economy with Eisenhower-level taxes on the wealthy and judiciously applied wage and price controls? Maybe. Trade deals, not withstanding, our problem lies with the social and cultural inadequacies of unmitigated market capitalism itself.

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Your post suggests the outline of a deal-- The Trade bill and a Huge Infrastructure bill (with the dollars included) presented to the president as a package. I have long thought that this was the obvious deal, with the obvious sweetener for Democrats to get it done. However, I think it would be a mistake to make the tax repatriation aspect a driving element of it; getting tax repatriation is nice, but the infrastructure monies should be guaranteed in the bill, and not dependent on the amount of taxable profits that actually come back to the States. I wish I had more confidence that Obama was just waiting for the right time to spring the proposal-- saying he won’t sign a trade bill without the infrastructure bill attached. But Obama’s negotiating tactics have always mystified me.

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