Discussion: NYT: We 'Regret' That Nazi Profile 'Offended So Many Readers'

The NYT continues to perpetuate its both siderism. As long as Haberman remains a paid so-called reporter by the NYT, I will continue to spend my time finding ways to go around their firewall rather than paying to remove it altogether.

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I would recommend it, and be sure to include the national editor’s piece as well as the reporter’s follow-up. Oh, I see our resident troll has tried to engage me with some false equivalence. I choose to ignore him and will never respond (directly).

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wow

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As I’ve said in other forums, this isn’t Charles Lindbergh in the 1930’s admiring German progress (the autobahn!) and turning a blind eye to creeping authoritarianism - It’s 2017. If you admire and espouse nazi beliefs than you fundamentally believe that the Holocaust was justified and genocide is proper public policy. (Even if you prefer gluten-free, non-gmo groceries) Full. End. Stop.

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focusing on politics, culture, race, poverty and criminal justice

I’ll read the piece but when I see those subjects listed as focuses I’m inclined to guess that—OK, I’ll read the piece.

Closer to home, I’ll tell you, some people are too predictable to engage with. Nobody’s going to learn anything from it.

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God.

This smug, self-congratulatory nonpology encapsulates why I quite literally hate the New York Times and why hell will freeze over before I subscribe to it again. Since at least the 1990s, and likely much longer, all criticism is categorically dismissed and ignored except as proof of what an awesome job it does of being unbiased. The substance of any external criticism of its reporting or editorial decisions, particularly from the left, is disregarded in the most condescending “We see marks on a page that look like words but we are institutionally incapable of comprehending them” manner possible.

The Times’ towering self-regard admits of no error and renders absurd the very concept that there might still be room for improvement because how can you improve upon perfection? The Times sets the standards, it does not follow them. The Times’ thirty years of Clinton Derangement Syndrome is the direct result of its institutional inability to admit it got played in the 90s like a fairground rube. Reflection, introspection and self-criticism are inconceivable, inadmissible, which is why it finally could no longer tolerate even the lip service to them represented by the retention of a “public editor” position, even though more often than not the position was filled by someone who’s lips were sealed to the editors’ collective o-ring.

The Times is a place that sees Brooks, Friedman and Dowd as persons worthy of serious attention, august personages who lend the paper weight and gravitas and who, in turn, are worthy of being lent weight and gravitas by their association with the awesome Times.

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12 days before he invaded Poland. Apparently he was finding time for something else.

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This is the end result of 'The Democrats say X and the Republicans say Y. It is up to the reader to decide who is correct." never mind that X is a fact (e.g., Evolution is correct) and Y is not (e.g., Creationism is correct). Newspapers are so scared of offending someone, they are genuinely surprised when they actually do.

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I hate it when these shit-bags are in the news and worse when they are “normalized”. They should be given no platform, no where to air their views. This article had a real softball feel to it, as kind of a la de da, day in the life. This is only my opinion of it, but the Times should be ashamed.

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No, not everything is best in the light. Trump was elected because the media gave him all the light he could ask for, all those column inches and broadcasting of rallies. The “more light” mantra serves evil well.

What’s important is reporting on the specifics of evil, and not putting evil people in a favorable light, or even a neutral one.

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Seems to me that the Times in this situation is like the neighbor of a serial killer who thought there was nothing unusual about him, other than maybe he like to go on a lot of fishing trips

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He was such a nice boy! He always waved “Hi” and helped with the groceries.

Hitler liked dogs, ya know.

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Sorry? Do your fucking jobs and tell the truth about these sub-human parasites. All Nazis and their sympathizers are living on borrowed time in this country. Fuck all of them and you had better wake the hell up NYT. If they had their way you would be some of the first goose-stepped right into an oven somewhere.

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He never heard of the banality of evil???

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He sat at its kitchen table, but if it occurred to him to use the phrase or idea in his piece I haven’t been made aware.

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"What we think is indisputable, though, is the need to shed more light, not less, on the most extreme corners of American life and the people who inhabit them.”

What we think is indisputable, though, is the need to whitewash and normalize the most extreme corners of American life and humanize the people who inhabit them.

FIFY

Shorter NYT: “White nationalist alt-right neo-Nazis are people too!”

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Times and Post have been roaming the Midwest covering stories of workers who are losing or lost jobs to well known countries. That is fine except they have not put out similar articles about people in deep poverty in major cities since the early 60s. The latter also deserve in depth coverage on these matters.

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At this point I’ve got nothing to add to the comments on this board but think the take of @alicek on Twitter

NYT: nazi who are you??? what do you want
NAZI: white power, cops even more murdering black people w impunity, feudalism, hitler was v v chill
NYT: but nazi what do you want
NAZI: i just said
NYT: oooooo so what are you putting in that pasta you’re making, looks yum

and Steve M. at NoMoreMrNice Blog

If all you have to say as a reporter is that the Nazis next door are not cartoon villains, that’s not “shedding light,” because they are engaged in monstrous activity when they’re not shopping for food and cooking and you’re ignoring that. That’s what we need to know about. Or we need to know what happens to people on the receiving end of what these Nazis do. Banality of evil? Stipulated. Don’t waste our time on what we already know.

are worth a (re)shout.

Yeah, too, the NYT editors need to think a little harder about what it means to inform readers.

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And has been doing so and getting away with it for some time now.

I have released myself from their inanity and no longer read it.

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