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¨"This begs the question of why Hernandez chose to not comply with those orders," Morrissey wrote.¨
I realize that this is a trivial point considering the gravity of the case, but a lawyer, of all people, should know the meaning of ¨begging the question.¨
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Shocking, someone executed again but of course it was the RIGHT thing to do
Do I recall correctly that another youth who was in the car at the time of the shooting stated that Jessica was actually shot before she drove the car toward the officers?
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Itâs worth reading the DAâs report, which is available in its entirety here:
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The normalization of this unintentional admission of stupidity is irritating me more than anything since that period a few years ago when people on TV were constantly saying âtactâ when they meant âtack.â
And this is far worse.
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That picture does not look like a 17 year old⌠Why does the media use such outdated pictures? A cop killing an unarmed person is horrific enough - we donât need to try and pretend the person they killed is much younger than they really were in order for it to be wrong.
âDifferent thanâ is my pet peeve, but âbeggingâ is a close 2nd. Itâs just reflex now - I can be in the kitchen half-listening to the TV and yell out, âdifferent FROMâ to whichever talking head is talking, not really hearing anything that was said, except, âdifferent than.â
I should try decaf.
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I donât understand why âcreating a dangerous situationâ justifies âshot to death.â Why isnât a copâs gun the tool of absolute last resort, only after all other possible means of de-escalating a situation have been resolved?
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Because over the last couple or three decades, the entirely understandable and proper emphasis on coming home alive and not taking unnecessary risks morphed into something more like the Cheney 1% doctrine. Now, their training and doctrine treats trivial acts of defiance or ânoncomplianceâ (youâll find a reference to ânoncomplianceâ in every post shooting report) as a risk of officer death or injury calling for the instant application of disproportionate force to âregain control of the situation.â
Part of the reason the cops have acted so hurt and angry is that theyâre being blamed for responding the way they were trained, and the way they were told they had to behave if they wanted to live through their shift.
⌠which has come about because unlike law enforcement in most other âcivilizedâ countries, the cops in the U.S. have to assume that everyone they encounter might be packing some serious firepower. When everyone is armed, virtually every confrontation contains within it the seeds of a lethal outcome.
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And if they arenât armed before theyâre shot, theyâll definitely be armed after theyâre dead.
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Oh, thatâs so 1970âs. These days the cops donât have to bother planting weapons on the corpses. A simple declaration that they were afraid will suffice.
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Oh, please. What the hell is wrong with different than? My preference is for different from, but I donât see how you could call either of them the correct usage. Brits use different to. I do hope that hearing that wouldnât give you the vapors.
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And shooting her in a moving car posed less danger to the occupants??
Yes, totally different from the âbaitâ article. Both cops gave consistent accounts, and forensic evidence backs it up. All the passengers gave different accounts. In fact, one said they were all yelling for the driver to stop, and one said they were all yelling for the driver to go. Some stated the cop just broke the window and shot her. Forensic evidence clearly indicated that was not even remotely the case.
But most important was an independent witness who stated:
Instead, the car ended up like kind of accelerating and like â like moving toward the police, like right toward the police, and â and I did see an officer get hit, and it was kind of like he bounced off of it â you know what I mean? It was like â like, âOh my goodness!
Gee, they left that out of this article. Why? She stated clearly that the car accelerated and went right at the cops and hit one.
But most people wonât read the report. It has too much information, etc. Easier to just have a knee jerk reaction.
Tragic situation for sure, but you donât drive a stolen car at a cop and hit him with it, and expect it will end well. Tragic, but justified shooting.
One said that, others said other things. They all had different stories. Forensic evidence said otherwise. Plus a lady who heard the commotion and ran outside saw the car accelerate and go right toward the cop and hit him. And forensic evidence backed that as well. She said she could not believe what she was seeing, as if âwtf would you point your vehicle at a cop. accelerate, and then hit the cop with it?â. If that cop did not move, he would not just have been hit, he would have been dead.
Read the report, itâs much different from the bait article.
Oh, tragedy for sure, young kid does dumb thing. But when that dumb thing is try to run over a cop and actually hit him with the car, the cop is not at fault.
Yes, a person about to engage in a high speed chase with cops after running one over is definitely putting those passengers in danger, no doubt. The cop aimed for the driver only, the person who had aimed the car at him and hit him, and hit the driver only. No passengers were hurt, and they had a much better chance of being hurt if the driver engaged in a high speed escape attempt.
I think the language is kinda the way people use it, and not just a list of proscriptive rules.
That said, I canât stand the use of the subjective personal pronoun in lieu of the objective personal pronoun, and vice versa. ¨That makes no difference to you and I¨, or ¨she and me are going to town¨, grate on my nerves. I mean, canât people see that ¨she loves you more than I¨ means something very different than ¨she loves you more than me¨? And pronouncing ¨forte¨ as if it were the Italian word for loud (for-TA), vs. the original pronunciation of one syllable ¨fort¨, which reflects the wordâs French origins in the Norman Conquest, sounds so wrong to my ears. And then thereâs using apostrophes for plural, like ¨look at the copâs in the donut shop¨: thatâs enough to make me consider violence.
I guess Iâm just as bad as the worst of 'em.
Donât have my Strunk and White handy, but Lefcowitz (The Writerâs Handbook) says:
âDifferent from is preferred to than.â [His emphasis]
Notice he says preferred. I suspect each of us will prefer whichever one our 7th grade English teacher preferred, which was based on her teachersâ preference, etc.